I’m well aware of what OP’s intent was. My comment was highlighting the inherent absurdity of complaining about taxes, which are by no definition “theft” and which are actually used to enrich your fellow man (no, I don’t need to hear about military spending or whatever other government outlay you personally object to; even in the US there are still tax funded programs that benefit the average person, despite the Republicans best efforts), rather than directing your anger at the far greater amount of our productivity that is literally stolen from us by the super wealthy.
Taxes are not “used to enrich your fellow man”. They are used to limit the amount of money in circulation. A financially sovereign state can issue however much money it wants - money is not a limited resource for such a state.
Yes (which depends on the way an economy is organised, by the way). But that just means that there are factors that influence how much currency a financially sovereign state wants to issue, rather than that they can’t issue that currency.
Again, what actually can be used for improving the conditions of one’s fellow workers are budgets dedicated to relevant policies, rather than taxes that simply reduce the amount of money in circulation.
I think you’re arguing in favor of some other philosophy and not disagreeing with their central point. It’s implied that the tax revenue is spent on nice things, not that the taxes themselves are the benefit. They’re not talking about inflation.
Taxes are how you contribute to other workers. The notion that taxes are “stolen” is libertarian bullshit preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism.
Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew!
No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist.
whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society…
anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers
The word “anarchy” was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests
that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy”
you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures
it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place
it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes
That’s certainly… true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn’t care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to “modern anarchism” as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism.
Anyway, I find your “contribution” kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so… goodbye
It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as “total anarchy.”
Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can’t stand on its own merits. “Tyranny requires constant effort.”
Why 40%? The value of his labor that’s being redirected to the pockets of wealthy CEOs is much higher than that.
40% of his pay. They don’t pay workers the full value of their labor… that would be ridiculous! Communism, even!
There’s another 30% that goes to non-cannibalistic regular pedophiles.
Because it said pay and not value?
Whoosh
Woosh indeed. Mind explaining the punchline?
I’m well aware of what OP’s intent was. My comment was highlighting the inherent absurdity of complaining about taxes, which are by no definition “theft” and which are actually used to enrich your fellow man (no, I don’t need to hear about military spending or whatever other government outlay you personally object to; even in the US there are still tax funded programs that benefit the average person, despite the Republicans best efforts), rather than directing your anger at the far greater amount of our productivity that is literally stolen from us by the super wealthy.
Oh so it just wasn’t funny. Got it.
OK. Bye Felicia 👋
Taxes are not “used to enrich your fellow man”. They are used to limit the amount of money in circulation. A financially sovereign state can issue however much money it wants - money is not a limited resource for such a state.
Do you know what happens to countries and economies that just “print more money”?
Yes (which depends on the way an economy is organised, by the way). But that just means that there are factors that influence how much currency a financially sovereign state wants to issue, rather than that they can’t issue that currency.
Again, what actually can be used for improving the conditions of one’s fellow workers are budgets dedicated to relevant policies, rather than taxes that simply reduce the amount of money in circulation.
I think you’re arguing in favor of some other philosophy and not disagreeing with their central point. It’s implied that the tax revenue is spent on nice things, not that the taxes themselves are the benefit. They’re not talking about inflation.
It varies by industry, but generally you are correct.
So many layers of tax, each bleeding a worker who would otherwise be able to contribute more to the other workers.
Taxes are how you contribute to other workers. The notion that taxes are “stolen” is libertarian bullshit preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism.
BBQ parties and helping them move are how you contribute to other workers.
Sales taxes are how you still cant afford bratwurst.
And when they say your taxes go to healthcare, you think it goes to doctors and nurses. Actually most of it goes to brian thompson types.
Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew!
At this point I no longer believe taxes go to anything good. Even the fucking welfare is all a grift with these politicians.
…in a system where politicians actually represent their constituents instead of their corporate donors.
Even feudal lords demanded tribute. That’s basically what taxation is in a system where the government is this blatantly corrupt.
So the orange one paying to prevent wind farm construction is contributing to the workers? 🤔
No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist.
No, but the alternative is not some no-tax, every-person-for-themselves anarchy.
Please do yourself and others a favor and don’t conflate libertarians with actual anarchism.
whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society…
anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy
that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy”
you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures
it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place
it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes
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That’s certainly… true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn’t care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to “modern anarchism” as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism.
Anyway, I find your “contribution” kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so… goodbye
It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as “total anarchy.”
Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can’t stand on its own merits. “Tyranny requires constant effort.”