I dunno, AI is a tool like anything else. We don’t outright ban calculators, but we do (or did, I’m old) stop kids from using calculators while they learn the basics then introduce them at appropriate ages with appropriate training (much simpler for calculators).
It’s probably fine to ban AI so long as it’s for an interim period while they come up with an effective curriculum to teach kide the manual methods for things they might automate, how to setup local models, the appropriate use cases in most professional settings and how to correctly verify answers and sources and when that might be important.
Yeah but it does simple but time intensive tasks quickly. Like if you need to generate a document structure it can take a long time but the AI can review existing similar docs and generate something appropriate quickly. The fluff a technical document requires is in a similar boat. A those things would need a review prior to utilisation, but you could save yourself an hour or two getting to the review.
Ensuring kids know how to appropriately use the tools available to them is the goal of education. Yes they need to know the manual methods and should be well trained in those before they start learning what’s appropriate to offload. Banning AI is like banning kids from using computers. Yes it’s screen time and mindless screen time consuming videos can be detrimental, but how they use the screen is critical and they learn skills when they use the screens for appropriate things.
The other glaring question should be is the environmental cost of using a large cloud based corporate model worth it for a few hours savings per week for each employee? The answer to that is a pretty clear no, but you can achieve similar savings with local models that don’t consume vast quantities of energy and water.
Since calculators, humans are verifiably worse at arithmetic. But it makes sense, it’s a tradeoff and it helps us do complex mathematics.
LLMs don’t just spit out arithmetic answers, it answers all questions. The fear here is that humans will be verifiably worse at… Everything that requires language.
Like I said, there are appropriate use cases and teaching kids about those and the pitfalls is pretty critical. It’s worse to just let them work it out under their own steam …
Most tools are like that. Is a hammer like any other tool? No, there are a range of hammer types, but a hammer is a hammer and there are no other tools that do that job. Could you use the back of an axe or the side of a wrench? Maybe. Should you? No.
A calculator spits out the same result every single time. The result is true and never wrong, given the input is correct. AI will spit out something different every time with varying degrees of reliability.
I agree with that and I think there are a significant number of use cases where it’s either a waste of time or completely inappropriate to use an LLM to generate the text you are looking for.
Arguably you have to know what you’re doing to get useful results out of an AI without becoming a gibbering idiot. Kind of like how you need to know what you’re doing with a circular saw so you don’t lose a hand. A computer is a tool just like AI is tool, obviously they are not the same.
Sure, in the exact same way it’s a skill to order food and manage to get what you wanted from your server.
And, arguably, you don’t need to know the first thing about “AI” to use it to do a great deal of things extraordinarily badly and having no idea how badly you are fucking everything up and neither does the “AI.” It’s a tool for building incompetence, failure, and reliance, not productivity.
You can’t vibe saw a pierce of wood into a cabinet, you have to know exactly what you’re doing at all times. You can also build the exact same cabinet by doing the same thing as you did before. It is a skill, the woodworking tools are tools only in the hands of someone who knows what to do with them. Every interaction with an “AI” is guess work on both ends, and the results aren’t repeatable. It’s not a tool, it’s a shitty attempted at building a machine so that the oligarchs can remove you from the equation entirely. It is the complete antithesis of a skill, it actively robs you of knowledge and experience, you are the tool for the “AI”, not the other way around.
And again, a computer = / = an “AI.” A computer is a tool, “AI” is asking someone else to use that tool for you. It’s as much a skill as commissioning a piece of bad art or paying someone to build your deck wrong. “AI” is not a tool, it’s a shitty contractor that you keep insisting is good even though you call them out to fix the exact same issue every week.
You most certainly can vibe a piece of wood into a cabinet but it’ll be a shit cabinet and you’ll probably hurt yourself. You’ll need more tools than just a saw though.
Do you use auto correct on your phone? Well then hold onto your hat because an LLM is a glorified version of that, and that is a tool for speeding up typing. Can you just autocorrect your way to a complete sentence? Maybe but you need review process or your going to be typing gibberish. Sure it makes your typing worse but at the benefit of improving speed and minimising the errors associated with a screen based keyboard.
Look you’re committed to your cause and it’s pretty clear what sub we’re in, so good luck with that, but AI exists so we either ban it outright which is a fool’s errand (you might as well try banning math) or you can ensure people are educated about how best to use it. I think relegating it to entertainment rather than using it as a tool to minimise the time it takes to shit admin tasks is worse by far when you consider the social and mental health implications.
I dunno, AI is a tool like anything else. We don’t outright ban calculators, but we do (or did, I’m old) stop kids from using calculators while they learn the basics then introduce them at appropriate ages with appropriate training (much simpler for calculators).
It’s probably fine to ban AI so long as it’s for an interim period while they come up with an effective curriculum to teach kide the manual methods for things they might automate, how to setup local models, the appropriate use cases in most professional settings and how to correctly verify answers and sources and when that might be important.
I disagree with this. Ai isn’t like the other tools. Other tools don’t hallucinate nor make mistakes.
Also, ai feels more human in the way you talk to it.
Yeah but it does simple but time intensive tasks quickly. Like if you need to generate a document structure it can take a long time but the AI can review existing similar docs and generate something appropriate quickly. The fluff a technical document requires is in a similar boat. A those things would need a review prior to utilisation, but you could save yourself an hour or two getting to the review.
Ensuring kids know how to appropriately use the tools available to them is the goal of education. Yes they need to know the manual methods and should be well trained in those before they start learning what’s appropriate to offload. Banning AI is like banning kids from using computers. Yes it’s screen time and mindless screen time consuming videos can be detrimental, but how they use the screen is critical and they learn skills when they use the screens for appropriate things.
The other glaring question should be is the environmental cost of using a large cloud based corporate model worth it for a few hours savings per week for each employee? The answer to that is a pretty clear no, but you can achieve similar savings with local models that don’t consume vast quantities of energy and water.
People though, theyre infallible.
Since calculators, humans are verifiably worse at arithmetic. But it makes sense, it’s a tradeoff and it helps us do complex mathematics.
LLMs don’t just spit out arithmetic answers, it answers all questions. The fear here is that humans will be verifiably worse at… Everything that requires language.
With only a possibility of the answers being correct.
Like I said, there are appropriate use cases and teaching kids about those and the pitfalls is pretty critical. It’s worse to just let them work it out under their own steam …
It’s literally not though. It’s not like anything else.
Most tools are like that. Is a hammer like any other tool? No, there are a range of hammer types, but a hammer is a hammer and there are no other tools that do that job. Could you use the back of an axe or the side of a wrench? Maybe. Should you? No.
A calculator spits out the same result every single time. The result is true and never wrong, given the input is correct. AI will spit out something different every time with varying degrees of reliability.
I agree with that and I think there are a significant number of use cases where it’s either a waste of time or completely inappropriate to use an LLM to generate the text you are looking for.
Gen “AI” is a crutch. It’s not a tool. It’s a crutch.
You could say the same thing about a computer … why aren’t we drafting technical drawings by hand, why do Draftees need a crutch like CAD packages?
CAD is a tool, you have to know what you’re doing. It’s a skill.
Computer = / = “AI.”
Arguably you have to know what you’re doing to get useful results out of an AI without becoming a gibbering idiot. Kind of like how you need to know what you’re doing with a circular saw so you don’t lose a hand. A computer is a tool just like AI is tool, obviously they are not the same.
Sure, in the exact same way it’s a skill to order food and manage to get what you wanted from your server.
And, arguably, you don’t need to know the first thing about “AI” to use it to do a great deal of things extraordinarily badly and having no idea how badly you are fucking everything up and neither does the “AI.” It’s a tool for building incompetence, failure, and reliance, not productivity.
You can’t vibe saw a pierce of wood into a cabinet, you have to know exactly what you’re doing at all times. You can also build the exact same cabinet by doing the same thing as you did before. It is a skill, the woodworking tools are tools only in the hands of someone who knows what to do with them. Every interaction with an “AI” is guess work on both ends, and the results aren’t repeatable. It’s not a tool, it’s a shitty attempted at building a machine so that the oligarchs can remove you from the equation entirely. It is the complete antithesis of a skill, it actively robs you of knowledge and experience, you are the tool for the “AI”, not the other way around.
And again, a computer = / = an “AI.” A computer is a tool, “AI” is asking someone else to use that tool for you. It’s as much a skill as commissioning a piece of bad art or paying someone to build your deck wrong. “AI” is not a tool, it’s a shitty contractor that you keep insisting is good even though you call them out to fix the exact same issue every week.
You most certainly can vibe a piece of wood into a cabinet but it’ll be a shit cabinet and you’ll probably hurt yourself. You’ll need more tools than just a saw though.
Do you use auto correct on your phone? Well then hold onto your hat because an LLM is a glorified version of that, and that is a tool for speeding up typing. Can you just autocorrect your way to a complete sentence? Maybe but you need review process or your going to be typing gibberish. Sure it makes your typing worse but at the benefit of improving speed and minimising the errors associated with a screen based keyboard.
Look you’re committed to your cause and it’s pretty clear what sub we’re in, so good luck with that, but AI exists so we either ban it outright which is a fool’s errand (you might as well try banning math) or you can ensure people are educated about how best to use it. I think relegating it to entertainment rather than using it as a tool to minimise the time it takes to shit admin tasks is worse by far when you consider the social and mental health implications.
We could ban hyperscale data centers. People can have local models.
That’d be a good start, they are pretty shitty pieces of infrastructure.
Sounds like a lot of cope and a lack of skill. Did you type that or just ask the computer to think it up for you? What was your prompt?
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