There is a reason however that in such cases the law differentiates between murder and accessory to murder. The latter carries less severe penalties. They are simply not the same thing and one is objectively worse than the other.
Just as both of those cops couldn’t be left on the street, the democrat party of today can’t be same democrat party of tomorrow. We’re going to make it better or we’re not going to have a country just like Minneapolis didn’t have police station after kicking those murder charges down the road.
Only in the most broad sense, i.e. control of the government. What they want to do with that power is very very different (especially if you are nonwhite, LGBT, or a woman).
I’m not dismissing those things because that’s the only area of debate in the United States. But the Democrats and the Republicans don’t support universal healthcare, they don’t support workers rights, they support corporations right to pillage the environment, they support the genocide in Palestine and broadly they support American Hegemony abroad. The only thing they disagree on is the gender, skin color, and sexuality of the people who can’t get healthcare or parental leave.
Between the ACA, Medicare expansions, pre-existing condition coverage requirements, VA funding, and medication price reduction, Democrats have ensured that tens of millions of Americans have healthcare. Republicans have done their best to strip this away.
Democrat states usually do not have “right to work” laws that weaken union membership.
Democrats heavily pushed for a move away from fossil fuels, subsidized the expansion of electric car use, increased protected lands, and strengthened environmental laws. Republicans have undone most of this.
Democratic support of Israel is rapidly waning under public pressure. Republicans have not weakened their stance an inch.
Democrats funded and supported international aid across the world to generate soft power. Republicans have pulled this back and replaced it with threats and military force.
Dems are not perfect, but they are closer to your ideal by an immense amount.
I think the difference between us is that I think the Democrats can at best accomplish half measures that don’t fix the fundamental structure of the system. The ACA hands more power and money to insurance companies, it doesn’t fix the fundamental problem. The Democrats support of Israel is “waning” but that hasn’t really altered anything on the ground or even stopped the money from flowing.
Republicans have pulled this back and replaced it with threats and military force.
You’re acting like Obama didn’t endorse more drone strikes than any president in history.
Like sure they are “technically” better but not in any of the ways that matter.
Half measures add up if you keep doing them. If you go half way 3 times you are 87.5% of the way there. You know what I mean?
I don’t think we should refuse to help people unless we fix the underlying problem. It’s not like we should have waited to end slavery until we eliminated racism, right? Expanding healthcare to another 50-60 million makes a hell of a lot of difference to those people. I would say that is better “in a way that matters”.
You’re acting like Obama didn’t endorse more drone strikes than any president in history.
That we know of. Trump stopped reporting the numbers, so I wouldn’t bet on that record holding.
I agree, but also don’t think we should be so devoted as to defend them for being the only ones who can help us and having them watch and do nothing. They’re more concerned with the people running on doing more. Is that an Ally or just the weaker of two enemies?
We should absolutely push the Democrats to do better and support DSA and other farther left candidates. Short term though, they are the best chance to wrest control of the government back from the MAGA fascists.
They are the best chance insofar as we can change the party. FDR enacted many of his policies because the alternative was a mass uprising leading to murder of the owner class/scabs and the visuals of the societal abandonment of our elderly was dumping gasoline on the fire.
Well vote for progressives in the fuckin primaries and pull the fuckin party left because it’s literally the only fuckin option that isn’t republicans winning. Y’all can refuse to grasp the political reality all you want, but it doesn’t change it.
It’s not refusing to grasp anything to talk about how our options are falling to hell or floating for a while. You’re preaching to the choir about how to change it and if you haven’t noticed: That is what’s happening. We are entitled to bitch in the meantime, especially about areas where corporate and consultant interests superseded people’s own best interests due to record levels of spending and nonstop concern trolling (eg: Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman, Oliver Larkin, Charles Booker, etc). We also don’t need permission from anyone to do so, thanks for your concern.
Sounds about right.
Even in this example, there is one side that is obviously far far worse than the other.
Not really.
A guy standing in a room watching a rape or murder is also irredeemable scum.
Less bad than the one committing it. Maybe not “far far” but still.
I can and will argue that its just as bad. Kinda like pointing and laughing at shipwreck survivors before you leave them to drown.
There is a reason however that in such cases the law differentiates between murder and accessory to murder. The latter carries less severe penalties. They are simply not the same thing and one is objectively worse than the other.
Law means less than nothing to morality.
Morals are relative. The law is not (at least ideally).
My point was that what the laws says is right or wrong should have no bearing on what actually is right or wrong.
Where I am from, it was illegal for blacks to drink from certain fountains. The law is always flawed, even if we don’t see it as such today.
Many argued it was immoral for black people and white people to drink from the same fountains too. That’s the problem with using morals as a standard.
Yep. But both sides still went to prison though.
Just as both of those cops couldn’t be left on the street, the democrat party of today can’t be same democrat party of tomorrow. We’re going to make it better or we’re not going to have a country just like Minneapolis didn’t have police station after kicking those murder charges down the road.
I don’t think we should really be heralding the “better” side as the ones that are going to save us. Remember their goals are ultimately the same.
Only in the most broad sense, i.e. control of the government. What they want to do with that power is very very different (especially if you are nonwhite, LGBT, or a woman).
I’m not dismissing those things because that’s the only area of debate in the United States. But the Democrats and the Republicans don’t support universal healthcare, they don’t support workers rights, they support corporations right to pillage the environment, they support the genocide in Palestine and broadly they support American Hegemony abroad. The only thing they disagree on is the gender, skin color, and sexuality of the people who can’t get healthcare or parental leave.
Between the ACA, Medicare expansions, pre-existing condition coverage requirements, VA funding, and medication price reduction, Democrats have ensured that tens of millions of Americans have healthcare. Republicans have done their best to strip this away.
Democrat states usually do not have “right to work” laws that weaken union membership.
Democrats heavily pushed for a move away from fossil fuels, subsidized the expansion of electric car use, increased protected lands, and strengthened environmental laws. Republicans have undone most of this.
Democratic support of Israel is rapidly waning under public pressure. Republicans have not weakened their stance an inch.
Democrats funded and supported international aid across the world to generate soft power. Republicans have pulled this back and replaced it with threats and military force.
Dems are not perfect, but they are closer to your ideal by an immense amount.
I think the difference between us is that I think the Democrats can at best accomplish half measures that don’t fix the fundamental structure of the system. The ACA hands more power and money to insurance companies, it doesn’t fix the fundamental problem. The Democrats support of Israel is “waning” but that hasn’t really altered anything on the ground or even stopped the money from flowing.
You’re acting like Obama didn’t endorse more drone strikes than any president in history.
Like sure they are “technically” better but not in any of the ways that matter.
Half measures add up if you keep doing them. If you go half way 3 times you are 87.5% of the way there. You know what I mean?
I don’t think we should refuse to help people unless we fix the underlying problem. It’s not like we should have waited to end slavery until we eliminated racism, right? Expanding healthcare to another 50-60 million makes a hell of a lot of difference to those people. I would say that is better “in a way that matters”.
That we know of. Trump stopped reporting the numbers, so I wouldn’t bet on that record holding.
Letting republicans set the standard? Im gonna be honest, this is not a good look for you.
It’s simply choosing the least objectionable of the two options.
I agree, but also don’t think we should be so devoted as to defend them for being the only ones who can help us and having them watch and do nothing. They’re more concerned with the people running on doing more. Is that an Ally or just the weaker of two enemies?
We should absolutely push the Democrats to do better and support DSA and other farther left candidates. Short term though, they are the best chance to wrest control of the government back from the MAGA fascists.
They are the best chance insofar as we can change the party. FDR enacted many of his policies because the alternative was a mass uprising leading to murder of the owner class/scabs and the visuals of the societal abandonment of our elderly was dumping gasoline on the fire.
Well vote for progressives in the fuckin primaries and pull the fuckin party left because it’s literally the only fuckin option that isn’t republicans winning. Y’all can refuse to grasp the political reality all you want, but it doesn’t change it.
It’s not refusing to grasp anything to talk about how our options are falling to hell or floating for a while. You’re preaching to the choir about how to change it and if you haven’t noticed: That is what’s happening. We are entitled to bitch in the meantime, especially about areas where corporate and consultant interests superseded people’s own best interests due to record levels of spending and nonstop concern trolling (eg: Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman, Oliver Larkin, Charles Booker, etc). We also don’t need permission from anyone to do so, thanks for your concern.
Cleaner, perhaps, but not usefully better.