Isn’t it always pre-election? Every two years and all.
Meanwhile, the reason that the claim is so prevalent is because it is so true.
bOtH sIdEs are anti-union, anti-labor, pro-corporate, and pro-billionaire.
US workers have lost income and standard of living for over FIFTY YEARS. You will hear this for the rest of your life, because it’s an indisputable fact.
The USA needs a labor party, the Democrats are no labor party.
That’s an impressively inaccurate read of what I wrote. Why are you wasting time working miracles in interpreting text when you could use your talents elsewhere?
Funny to accuse the other of strawmanning in a comment section under the most ridiculous caricature of what a liberal would like the leftist critique of their favorite color of genociders to be.
I know reading comprehension is abysmal in the US and online, but Jesus christ. If youre going to use fallacies as a rhetorical shield, then at least use them correctly. They’re not arguing against a strawman, they are making a conclusion on your beliefs, based on what you have written.
I think you need to read up on what a “conclusion” is, and how you draw one. Its pretty reasonable to assume, from what you wrote, that you think the United States, as a political entity, can be saved. The adjectives are clearly the author indicating their own personal opinion about the United States.
If you wanted to accuse the other of some sort of rhetorical fuckery, then the obvious one is changing the subject.
But if we’re doing fallacies then this whole argument is built on the back of a false dilemma.
thanks, i was a little confused as to what they were trying to say my strawman was but decided i couldnt be bothered. glad someone can make my points for me :)
Funny to accuse the other of strawmanning in a comment section under the most ridiculous caricature of what a liberal would like the leftist critique of their favorite color of genociders to be.
Point it out then. Point out where I did that.
Its pretty reasonable to assume, from what you wrote, that you think the United States, as a political entity, can be saved.
Most if not all countries can be fixed. Even Germany was saved from fascism, and they went far deeper than most.
I think the issue is you see the democrats as “lesser” evil, despite them being gleeful participants in genocide, climate change, “tough-on-crime”-prison-slavery, deportation, police states and everything else. The only two practical differences are that Democrats are more competent administrators of empire and they’re less rude about bombing brown people.
Whats more dangerous, a nuclear bomb or a nuclear bomb that’s kind of rude about doing the same stuff as the other one?
Its like youre bending over backwards to avoid discussing the fact that the two parties are the same, because this gross caricature where there is a measurable difference is easier for you to engage with morally and intellectually.
Again, you fail to engage with the actual argument. They are both open fascists.
You believe that voting for the GOP is exactly, literally the same as not doing so? That’s just wrong, and you know it.
No? I believe voting for democrats and voting for the republicans bring forth the same conditions of life for people inside and outside the US. Because both parties are fascists.
Now that we’ve established you’re not talking to me in bad faith like several others have been:
My point, like the meme’s, is that there’s a stark difference between the terms “Lesser Evil” and “Good.” The DNC is clearly the Lesser Evil contrasted against the open march to fascism that the GOP has embraced. That doesn’t mean they’re The Good Guys Above Reproach. Note that Side A still has tally marks of Bad.
Ironically, the people who puff out their chest and declare they are enlightened enough to vilify the DNC for being just as bad as the GOP view the world in a Disney, Good or Evil sense. “DNC did a bad? Then they are Evil and must be fought no matter the cost.” Politics has much more nuance than that, and is usually all about making alliances with people you don’t like with to tackle issues you both agree on. I sincerely doubt any of the people viewing politics in such black and white terms apply that same logic to people they know, otherwise they’d be murdering people for cutting them off in traffic, or going no contact with family because they forgot to send them a birthday present. Maybe they do believe it, so they’re chronically online rather than engaging with flesh and blood humans in meat-space. Maybe they’re just propagandists and don’t actually believe what they write.
When the DNC is right, I’d work with them. When they’re wrong, I’d work against them.
The US primaries are over, save for runoffs I’m not aware of. Painting the DNC as just as bad as the GOP now serves only to drive voter apathy, which is a huge boost to GOP victory odds as we’ve seen in the past, especially recently. It’s also been proven to be a huge motive of international election interfering interests, e.g. Russia and China; anyone who hates progressives, minorities, democracy, etc. stands to gain from the GOP winning.
TL;DR: The meme puts the above logic much more succinctly, and OP’s title fills in most of the gaps.
Isn’t it always pre-election? Every two years and all.
Meanwhile, the reason that the claim is so prevalent is because it is so true.
bOtH sIdEs are anti-union, anti-labor, pro-corporate, and pro-billionaire.
US workers have lost income and standard of living for over FIFTY YEARS. You will hear this for the rest of your life, because it’s an indisputable fact.
The USA needs a labor party, the Democrats are no labor party.
You are depicted in this meme, and you don’t seem to see it.
you are in a dystopian hell and you think you can vote your way out of it.
You are entirely missing the point.
You hear or see “Lesser Evil” and you think they’re saying “Good.”
Is the issue literacy? Is it stubbornness? Plain ol’ propaganda to destabilize the US?
i think the issue is you still think your warmongering, nazi country still has a hope at not being evil.
That’s an impressively inaccurate read of what I wrote. Why are you wasting time working miracles in interpreting text when you could use your talents elsewhere?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Funny to accuse the other of strawmanning in a comment section under the most ridiculous caricature of what a liberal would like the leftist critique of their favorite color of genociders to be.
I know reading comprehension is abysmal in the US and online, but Jesus christ. If youre going to use fallacies as a rhetorical shield, then at least use them correctly. They’re not arguing against a strawman, they are making a conclusion on your beliefs, based on what you have written.
I think you need to read up on what a “conclusion” is, and how you draw one. Its pretty reasonable to assume, from what you wrote, that you think the United States, as a political entity, can be saved. The adjectives are clearly the author indicating their own personal opinion about the United States.
If you wanted to accuse the other of some sort of rhetorical fuckery, then the obvious one is changing the subject.
But if we’re doing fallacies then this whole argument is built on the back of a false dilemma.
thanks, i was a little confused as to what they were trying to say my strawman was but decided i couldnt be bothered. glad someone can make my points for me :)
Point it out then. Point out where I did that.
Most if not all countries can be fixed. Even Germany was saved from fascism, and they went far deeper than most.
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de stabalizing and balkanizing the US would be a blessing for humanity actually
All the tankies seem to think I said otherwise.
I think the issue is you see the democrats as “lesser” evil, despite them being gleeful participants in genocide, climate change, “tough-on-crime”-prison-slavery, deportation, police states and everything else. The only two practical differences are that Democrats are more competent administrators of empire and they’re less rude about bombing brown people.
They might be the lesser evil to Americans but to the rest of us they’re just evil.
And to Americans they’re just evil too, they just dont notice because they’re more competent.
Which is more dangerous to detonate, a grenade or a nuclear bomb?
Which is hotter, 60C or 100C?
It’s like you’re bending over backwards to refuse that the words “more” and “less” exist in English?
I really do need to get around to blocking lemmy.ml, apparently.
Whats more dangerous, a nuclear bomb or a nuclear bomb that’s kind of rude about doing the same stuff as the other one?
Its like youre bending over backwards to avoid discussing the fact that the two parties are the same, because this gross caricature where there is a measurable difference is easier for you to engage with morally and intellectually.
If you genuinely don’t believe open fascism is worse than tepid failure to properly address it, we’re never going to see eye to eye.
You believe that voting for the GOP is exactly, literally the same as not doing so? That’s just wrong, and you know it.
Again, it’s funny that 100% of the ridiculous arguments like this are coming from lemmy.ml. It’s so rare that a reasonable person comes from there.
Oh hey, you’re the one making ridiculous arguments against me above too. I guess I should just block you for now.
Again, you fail to engage with the actual argument. They are both open fascists.
No? I believe voting for democrats and voting for the republicans bring forth the same conditions of life for people inside and outside the US. Because both parties are fascists.
Wow you’re right, the MEME says they’re wrong so they must be wrong, never mind the actual reasoning they presented!
That’s definitely not the extent of the logic, but good joke.
Fair nuff, I guess you didn’t claim that was the reasoning
Now that we’ve established you’re not talking to me in bad faith like several others have been:
My point, like the meme’s, is that there’s a stark difference between the terms “Lesser Evil” and “Good.” The DNC is clearly the Lesser Evil contrasted against the open march to fascism that the GOP has embraced. That doesn’t mean they’re The Good Guys Above Reproach. Note that Side A still has tally marks of Bad.
Ironically, the people who puff out their chest and declare they are enlightened enough to vilify the DNC for being just as bad as the GOP view the world in a Disney, Good or Evil sense. “DNC did a bad? Then they are Evil and must be fought no matter the cost.” Politics has much more nuance than that, and is usually all about making alliances with people you don’t like with to tackle issues you both agree on. I sincerely doubt any of the people viewing politics in such black and white terms apply that same logic to people they know, otherwise they’d be murdering people for cutting them off in traffic, or going no contact with family because they forgot to send them a birthday present. Maybe they do believe it, so they’re chronically online rather than engaging with flesh and blood humans in meat-space. Maybe they’re just propagandists and don’t actually believe what they write.
When the DNC is right, I’d work with them. When they’re wrong, I’d work against them.
The US primaries are over, save for runoffs I’m not aware of. Painting the DNC as just as bad as the GOP now serves only to drive voter apathy, which is a huge boost to GOP victory odds as we’ve seen in the past, especially recently. It’s also been proven to be a huge motive of international election interfering interests, e.g. Russia and China; anyone who hates progressives, minorities, democracy, etc. stands to gain from the GOP winning.
TL;DR: The meme puts the above logic much more succinctly, and OP’s title fills in most of the gaps.