• FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Ok, well since kings don’t rule the world anymore, how about e use the definition that is relevant to today’s systems?

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      2 days ago

      Would you say that exchanging goods and services is fundamentally capitalist? It’s not like barter is relevant to today’s systems?

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        2 days ago

        No, commerce is not fundamentally capitalist. Markets existed before capitalist, and also exist in socialist states. Not sure where you’re going with this one.

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          1 day ago

          Liberalism existed before capitalism, and can also exist in non-capitalist states.

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            It really kinda didn’t exist before capitalism though. Liberalism and capitalism co-evolved to respectively provide the moral justification and the material means for the bourgeois revolution against feudalism. Liberalism is inherently a capitalist ideology. Though I would agree that some of the principles that liberalism claims are indeed timeless and appropriate to include in any society.