Or a democrat, which is functionally similar to Trump.
even if you manage to replace one party with something better that doesn’t solve the fundamental long term issue.
Wow, it’s almost like the USA isn’t a democracy and you’re given a false choice between two identical political parties in order to keep you from actually doing anything of substance. It’s almost like your argument about voting mattering is flawed. Weird how noone pointed that out.
Pushing for electoral reform one way or another does not mean you can’t at least put in a meaningful vote against the fashos.
Right, which is why I’m not voting for democrats or republicans.
Oh sorry, I just consider palestinians people. And immigrants peopl. And queer people people. And women people. And I care about the climate. And the ever-growing police state. And the constantly expanding military. And the wars. And the foreign intervention. And the brinksmanship. And the assaults on peaceful protesters. And the bypassing of primaries.
But you know, other than that, yeah, super naive I guess.
It is extremely naive if you can’t tell the difference between the D and R policies on those issues. Just make a comparison of each of those between Biden and Trump. Just do it. Take a spreadsheet and compare. Do it. A column for each president, a row for each issue. In the corresponding field write what they did to each group. Go ahead. Do it. Stop bitching and look at the facts. Do it now.
if you can’t tell the difference between the D and R policies on those issues
Hey real quick, what does the word “functionally” mean? You people keep doing this thing where you construct a straw man for you to argue against, instead of relating to the actual argument at hand. OP did it, you do it. Why? You seem to feel so strongly you are correct, yet you can’t even argue properly.
Just make a comparison of each of those between Biden and Trump. Just do it. Take a spreadsheet and compare. Do it. A column for each president, a row for each issue.
Nah, I’m not going to format something up for you, sorry. Facts of the matter are pretty clear too, though you can always fuck commas on a specific policy phrasing: Here’s a quick lazy one. There’s plenty more with sources and more extensive variations, this was just the first I found of my own. I would put in more effort if it weren’t for the fact that every time I do it gets ignored, so why bother? You people always just end up following the same playbook of ignoring the actual arguments presented; or you play obtuse and pretend you don’t understand; or you go for some wack racist conspiracy-psychosis ad hominem about “russian bots”; or you construct some strawman position of the argument (like you’re doing now).
You can go hunting for a bunch more comparisons of the democrats and republicans, done by leftists. You should do it. Actually do it, now. Instead of, you know, ordering up some spreadsheet, you could just go look for it. You won’t though, because this thing you’re doing now is easier, and it’s more comfortable to stick your head in the ground and cover your ears (like the DNC did when they passed by protesters against palestinian genocide.)
Trump started a war against Iran. A new war. This is huge. This is major. This affects the whole globe. Don’t forget the Iranian people, the school girls who were brutally murdered.
Biden had a green new deal. Billions poured into green technology.
Trump brought ICE on the streets.
Gaza is being razed under Trump’s watch. Was never perfect under democrats, but also never this bad by a really long shot.
I mean sure, Biden is not perfect, and you can point out to many bad things done during his administration. But these are objective, major issues that you will not be able to debunk.
In the US system you have a choice between kind of bad and really terrible. Don’t fool yourself you can elect someone actually good (unless you can push someone like Bernie through the democrats).
See, this is why I said I didn’t want to put in any more than the bare minimum of effort. You ignore what you get. You also fail to answer any questions yourself.
Trump started a war against Iran. A new war. This is huge. This is major. This affects the whole globe. Don’t forget the Iranian people, the school girls who were brutally murdered
A war the democrats had likewise been pursuing.
Biden had a green new deal. Billions poured into green technology.
Right, which is why I said functionally, because what Biden functionally did was pass a deal that gave a pittance to “renewable” energy, while mainly handing money over to cronies to be used as they liked, while he also handed out a bunch of new fracking contracts, the accumulated emissions from which are estimated to push us much further than the 1.5C hellscape we already live in. So while you get a cute little gesture towards something nice so you don’t notice you’re getting fucked, you’re still getting fucked.
Trump brought ICE on the streets
And Obama was the one to expand ICEs budgets and purview. And Biden was the one to deport more people than Trump 1. And Harris ran on being harsher on immigration than Trump. But that’s not as flashy, so you don’t care.
Gaza is being razed under Trump’s watch. Was never perfect under democrats, but also never this bad by a really long shot.
Just actual straight up genocide denial. Are you delusional or a zionist? Schools, hospitals, residential buildings, everything was flattened under Biden. Gaza was also being raided under Biden.
Biden is not perfect
Yeah, he’s functionally equivalent to Trump. A senile rapist geriatric who fucks the climate, kicks out immigrants, throws women and queer people under the bus, and salivates at the thought of giving Israel more weapons.
In the US system you have a choice between kind of bad and really terrible.
You do not have a choice in the US and the longer you remain within the confines of the blue/red dichotomy, the worse it gets.
You do not have a choice in the US and the longer you remain within the confines of the blue/red dichotomy, the worse it gets.
My point this whole time has been this, let me be clear one more time: You will not get out of this dichotomy. You can only choose a kind of bad and terrible. Perhaps you’re too young and haven’t seen enough R’s, but time will teach you. This is also the reason I don’t feel like talking about how bad the dems are (when R’s are objectively much much worse). The only way “out” is through someone like Bernie who captures the D-establishment, and even then he’d need a supermarjority everywhere to change the system. It’s not happening.
But humor me, tell me who’s your alternative now, and what chances to they have?
So you’ll get either your 3rd party candidate (you won’t), or Trump’s third. Hard to see why you’d want that, but I guess we all have our reasons.
Or a democrat, which is functionally similar to Trump.
Wow, it’s almost like the USA isn’t a democracy and you’re given a false choice between two identical political parties in order to keep you from actually doing anything of substance. It’s almost like your argument about voting mattering is flawed. Weird how noone pointed that out.
Right, which is why I’m not voting for democrats or republicans.
Laughably naive. Please refrain from any political commentary from now on.
Oh sorry, I just consider palestinians people. And immigrants peopl. And queer people people. And women people. And I care about the climate. And the ever-growing police state. And the constantly expanding military. And the wars. And the foreign intervention. And the brinksmanship. And the assaults on peaceful protesters. And the bypassing of primaries.
But you know, other than that, yeah, super naive I guess.
It is extremely naive if you can’t tell the difference between the D and R policies on those issues. Just make a comparison of each of those between Biden and Trump. Just do it. Take a spreadsheet and compare. Do it. A column for each president, a row for each issue. In the corresponding field write what they did to each group. Go ahead. Do it. Stop bitching and look at the facts. Do it now.
Hey real quick, what does the word “functionally” mean? You people keep doing this thing where you construct a straw man for you to argue against, instead of relating to the actual argument at hand. OP did it, you do it. Why? You seem to feel so strongly you are correct, yet you can’t even argue properly.
Nah, I’m not going to format something up for you, sorry. Facts of the matter are pretty clear too, though you can always fuck commas on a specific policy phrasing:
Here’s a quick lazy one. There’s plenty more with sources and more extensive variations, this was just the first I found of my own. I would put in more effort if it weren’t for the fact that every time I do it gets ignored, so why bother? You people always just end up following the same playbook of ignoring the actual arguments presented; or you play obtuse and pretend you don’t understand; or you go for some wack racist conspiracy-psychosis ad hominem about “russian bots”; or you construct some strawman position of the argument (like you’re doing now).
You can go hunting for a bunch more comparisons of the democrats and republicans, done by leftists. You should do it. Actually do it, now. Instead of, you know, ordering up some spreadsheet, you could just go look for it. You won’t though, because this thing you’re doing now is easier, and it’s more comfortable to stick your head in the ground and cover your ears (like the DNC did when they passed by protesters against palestinian genocide.)
A couple of quick facts for you.
I mean sure, Biden is not perfect, and you can point out to many bad things done during his administration. But these are objective, major issues that you will not be able to debunk.
In the US system you have a choice between kind of bad and really terrible. Don’t fool yourself you can elect someone actually good (unless you can push someone like Bernie through the democrats).
See, this is why I said I didn’t want to put in any more than the bare minimum of effort. You ignore what you get. You also fail to answer any questions yourself.
A war the democrats had likewise been pursuing.
Right, which is why I said functionally, because what Biden functionally did was pass a deal that gave a pittance to “renewable” energy, while mainly handing money over to cronies to be used as they liked, while he also handed out a bunch of new fracking contracts, the accumulated emissions from which are estimated to push us much further than the 1.5C hellscape we already live in. So while you get a cute little gesture towards something nice so you don’t notice you’re getting fucked, you’re still getting fucked.
And Obama was the one to expand ICEs budgets and purview. And Biden was the one to deport more people than Trump 1. And Harris ran on being harsher on immigration than Trump. But that’s not as flashy, so you don’t care.
Just actual straight up genocide denial. Are you delusional or a zionist? Schools, hospitals, residential buildings, everything was flattened under Biden. Gaza was also being raided under Biden.
Yeah, he’s functionally equivalent to Trump. A senile rapist geriatric who fucks the climate, kicks out immigrants, throws women and queer people under the bus, and salivates at the thought of giving Israel more weapons.
You do not have a choice in the US and the longer you remain within the confines of the blue/red dichotomy, the worse it gets.
My point this whole time has been this, let me be clear one more time: You will not get out of this dichotomy. You can only choose a kind of bad and terrible. Perhaps you’re too young and haven’t seen enough R’s, but time will teach you. This is also the reason I don’t feel like talking about how bad the dems are (when R’s are objectively much much worse). The only way “out” is through someone like Bernie who captures the D-establishment, and even then he’d need a supermarjority everywhere to change the system. It’s not happening.
But humor me, tell me who’s your alternative now, and what chances to they have?