That’s a hard sell for anyone who actually believes in their religion, for the same reason you’d find it a non-starter to ignore your own concept of morality when doing politics. “Keep religion out of politics” is a nonsensical statement, for the simple reason that to a religious populace (which is most of them) their morality will to some degree come from their religion.
That’s objectively untrue. Religious leaders want you to believe that, and it’s a major part of their propaganda. But no, religions co-opted morals and human values; they did not invent them by any stretch of the imagination.
You’re making the false assumption that there are universal morals and human values here. That’s immediately falsifiable by noting that different societies don’t, in fact, have the same morals or values. You’re also making the other false assumption that religions never (or essentially never) challenge their host societies’ morals or values when the two biggest religions in the world (Islam and Christianity) provide ample evidence to the contrary. You’re then deriving from those two false assumptions the false conclusions that religions don’t shape the values and morals of their host societies when, for example, it’s not a coincidence that Americans regardless of religion tend to find polygamy morally unacceptable.
They aren’t, but I don’t see religions as a whole getting anywhere close to dying out. People are going to be shaped by what they’re taught as children, for better and worse.
Damn it’s almost like we should separate religion from politics.
That’s a hard sell for anyone who actually believes in their religion, for the same reason you’d find it a non-starter to ignore your own concept of morality when doing politics. “Keep religion out of politics” is a nonsensical statement, for the simple reason that to a religious populace (which is most of them) their morality will to some degree come from their religion.
Religions have a very large part in creating the population’s morals, opinions, and values, so I think that’s practically impossible.
That’s objectively untrue. Religious leaders want you to believe that, and it’s a major part of their propaganda. But no, religions co-opted morals and human values; they did not invent them by any stretch of the imagination.
You’re making the false assumption that there are universal morals and human values here. That’s immediately falsifiable by noting that different societies don’t, in fact, have the same morals or values. You’re also making the other false assumption that religions never (or essentially never) challenge their host societies’ morals or values when the two biggest religions in the world (Islam and Christianity) provide ample evidence to the contrary. You’re then deriving from those two false assumptions the false conclusions that religions don’t shape the values and morals of their host societies when, for example, it’s not a coincidence that Americans regardless of religion tend to find polygamy morally unacceptable.
They aren’t necessary for that role.
They aren’t, but I don’t see religions as a whole getting anywhere close to dying out. People are going to be shaped by what they’re taught as children, for better and worse.
Clearly religion is doing a shit job of it, judging by the results. Throw it in the trash can