I also believe that anyone who thinks “humans are a plague” shouldn’t hold a public office. I don’t know of any who promote that belief on the campaign trail though.
“Humans are plague” is to point out that we should have better priorities than just infinite growth.
“Fallen world” gives people using Abrahamic trappings license to expand and consume infinitely because people are thinking about the all the stuff they’ll be born with in the next world anyway. It’s pretty different
Edit: holy shit, had an aneurysm. Thanks to anyone who read that as it was intended and not how I wrote it.
no, “humans are a plague” is just blatantly misanthropic. it has nothing to do with pointing out the failings of capitalism, it’s just here to say that humanity, by its very nature, is bad and to be exterminated. it serves to distract from the real issue (capitalism and the fantasy of infinite growth) even, by pretending that the issue is innate to humans (and thus unfixable except by mass genocide)
I guess I just respectfully disagree, to me capitalism is misanthropic. And people who use the phrase are being embarrassingly hyperbolic but I want to meet them where they’re at. I see their emotional position as more workable in terms of changing how we treat the world and eachother (most people aren’t ready to engage with the idea of stopping capitalism in a nonemotional way)
But, we don’t have to approach it as an all or nothing thing. In our lives I can engage with people who need to conceptualize people as a disease and you can work with people who need to not do that. This is an improvement over previous situations where progressive politics required toeing the line on rhetoric
This is such a silly take. If humans ought to have better priorities than infinite growth, then the problem is whatever necessitates the premise of infinite growth. Infinite growth is not only unnecessary in being defined as human, but even detrimental to human existence. The problem you’re blaming on humans is capitalism. Capitalism is the plague.
“Fallen World” does not give abrahamic religions license to consume infinitely. It has nothing to do with consumption, but rather to build the premises of why their religion is necessary for “salvation”. Abrahamic religions have plenty of ridiculous and immoral things to critique about them, just be sure to pick a real one.
Eh. It sounds like you can’t or won’t engage with either position, which I’m not really on this planet to convince anyone to do anyway. I probably made it sound like I hold one of those opinions, which I don’t so that’s on me.
You could look into millenarianism as an ideology and why they’re like that but it’s work and it’s thankless.
perhaps a hotter take for lemmy: this goes for “humans are a plague” rhetoric too
I also believe that anyone who thinks “humans are a plague” shouldn’t hold a public office. I don’t know of any who promote that belief on the campaign trail though.
“Humans are plague” is to point out that we should have better priorities than just infinite growth.
“Fallen world” gives people using Abrahamic trappings license to expand and consume infinitely because people are thinking about the all the stuff they’ll be born with in the next world anyway. It’s pretty different
Edit: holy shit, had an aneurysm. Thanks to anyone who read that as it was intended and not how I wrote it.
no, “humans are a plague” is just blatantly misanthropic. it has nothing to do with pointing out the failings of capitalism, it’s just here to say that humanity, by its very nature, is bad and to be exterminated. it serves to distract from the real issue (capitalism and the fantasy of infinite growth) even, by pretending that the issue is innate to humans (and thus unfixable except by mass genocide)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
We’re causing a mass extinction event, and I’m happy to call humanity a plague while you kill off the nature around me.
I guess I just respectfully disagree, to me capitalism is misanthropic. And people who use the phrase are being embarrassingly hyperbolic but I want to meet them where they’re at. I see their emotional position as more workable in terms of changing how we treat the world and eachother (most people aren’t ready to engage with the idea of stopping capitalism in a nonemotional way)
But, we don’t have to approach it as an all or nothing thing. In our lives I can engage with people who need to conceptualize people as a disease and you can work with people who need to not do that. This is an improvement over previous situations where progressive politics required toeing the line on rhetoric
This is such a silly take. If humans ought to have better priorities than infinite growth, then the problem is whatever necessitates the premise of infinite growth. Infinite growth is not only unnecessary in being defined as human, but even detrimental to human existence. The problem you’re blaming on humans is capitalism. Capitalism is the plague.
“Fallen World” does not give abrahamic religions license to consume infinitely. It has nothing to do with consumption, but rather to build the premises of why their religion is necessary for “salvation”. Abrahamic religions have plenty of ridiculous and immoral things to critique about them, just be sure to pick a real one.
Eh. It sounds like you can’t or won’t engage with either position, which I’m not really on this planet to convince anyone to do anyway. I probably made it sound like I hold one of those opinions, which I don’t so that’s on me.
You could look into millenarianism as an ideology and why they’re like that but it’s work and it’s thankless.