This is gonna cause some grump.
Both the EU and America have a race problem but I dunno from my perspective racism in Europe is so much more common and unchallenged. I think a lot of people have an inflated view of American racism cause they talk so often about it. I also don’t think the racism is the same, a lot of Europeans seem more racist about cultural differences than just skin color where Americans seem more skin deep racists.
I dunno just my opinion though.
I also think these parts of the world are the most culturally diverse so they talk about it but other parts of the world are SOOOO much more racist it isn’t even a comparison.
The western world by far contains the least racist cultures on the planet. At least presently. It’s just more visible especially to people in the western world
You’re not wrong. Americans have an obsession with skin colour and thinks that is what divides humanity. I remember a screenshot post of a black user asking, and to paraphrase: “remove poc’s what how would white people divide themselves?” The user is likely someone from North America and had never gone to Europe, or know its history, to see how divided Europeans are, even before the large immigration from outside the continent.
Europe when muslim immigrants
Americans really mad about euro calling them out huh.
As an American of non-European descent living in the Netherlands, I’m amused at the blank stares I receive when I ask people about where they think the xenophobic, self-serving, and bigoted attitudes that pervade “White America” came from.
Ireland?
European countries aren’t all the same
U.S. states aren’t all the same either
When it comes to general opinions of Romani/gypsies I think all European countries are pretty united.
Netherlands may be an outlier but nobody cares about Roma/Sinti/travellers/gypsies. Here people are racist against Maroccans, Turks and Muslims generally
I think Europe is at least united in a hatred for Muslims, can’t just let people exist in peace, y’know?
I’m American, but my grandma was a 1st generation immigrant. She always threatened to “sell [me] to the gypsies” if I didn’t behave. I didn’t have any idea what a “gypsy” was! There was no context for a 4 year old in the States. Hell, I didn’t even know it was a slur until I was in my twenties. That was pretty gross, Gram. Boomers gonna Boom, though, I guess.
I was 30 years old before I learned that word’s a slur
It’s not necessarily a slur, depending on who you are using it to refer to. There are some communities who refer to themselves that way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy,_Roma_and_Traveller
Same for me, but Germany. I thought, “Zigeuner” (Gypsy) meant that someone had no address because they would live in trailers and would move from place to place. Which sounded very cool and I wished, I could do that, too.
I did not understand, however, why one should not trust them.
Turns out, it’s just racism.
I encountered Romani a few times when I was living in Germany. It was not a positive impression. But even then I was well aware of how being historically marginalized breeds poverty and crime.
So ya don’t like dags?
I don’t know what that is, but it sounds like a slur. I don’t have any problem with Romani, only individuals who engage in antisocial behavior, same as anyone else.
Oh, dogs! Sure, I like dogs!
I remember my grandfather in the 90s warning me not to go to close to the “wagon” (a trailer) of “the gypsies” because they “steal children”. I actually wound up over there when I adventured out alone from the camping place. The woman was cutting her husband’s hair and it was the first time I had seen a man with pretty, long, shiny black hair, I was fascinated. They were friendly but “talked weird” (they had an accent). I never understood the hate… because obviously, they didn’t steal me away… but my grandfathers generation left that narrative behind for my parents and my generation to pick up and continue. I whish it could have died with him.
This was certainly true 20 years ago
They were going door to door in northern Ireland looking for brown people just a few months ago.
Pretty much all of European progressive tolerance went in the trash can after the Syrian refugee crisis.
I’m an immigrant to Europe and when the Syrian refugee crisis happened 10 years ago, I knew it will cause tensions.
I think people are generally tolerant of foreigners but something unconscious in the mind of many people is triggered and think “okay too many”.
But at the same time, something that the anti-immigration and the far right never addressed is that the world, not just Europe, is experiencing population decline. Counries simply need more people to work. The far-right blame the foreigners but never have any plans afterwards to address the population decline. Or rather, now that I think about it, they won’t say it until foreigners are gone, but they want to force back women to baby churning roles. I remember arguing with a crypto-fascist who is anti-globalist and he doesn’t have answers to the declining workforce apart from implying to force women to make more babies. It is though as if the low birth rate isn’t to do with the economic system not being family friendly. Have we heard the far-right say they will increase the wages? No. It’s because, ultimately, the far-right are corporatists and their goal is to not empower workers.
ITT: Europeans screaming into the black mirror.
As a European, this is very true. Anti-romani sentiment is very widespread and often overlooked when talking about xenophobia.
Another European, I encounter very little anti Romani sentiments in my daily life. There are travelers here and there are prejudices, but active hate is much more directed at refugees.
Generally their music is doing a lot of heavy lifting for the general opinion.
Generally their music is doing a lot of heavy lifting for the general opinion.
imagine saying that right after claiming there is little anti-romani racism
They didn’t say there is very little anti-romani racism, they said they didn’t encounter it in their daily life very often. That’s generally how it works, you don’t tend to run into racism as often when you’re not the target.
Quite right. I don’t run into a lot of anti-aboriginal racism in Australia, but boy howdy does it exist.
And I do run into some. Had an operation at a hospital once and shared a room post-op with a guy who was a cheery companion for a little while then started spewing the most ridiculous shit about First Nations people I’d heard outside a One Nation forum.
I then calmly asked him to explain every point and dissected his bullshit like a faeces expert studying a coprolite. Really bothered him. Hehehe.
“I’m not racist, it’s just that their culture is garbage and everyone hates them”
Not OP but Gypsy music is generally considered positively not negatively I thought - I’m not sure why there is an assumption they’re saying their culture is garbage - I read it as the reverse
That’s what I meant
I don’t have an answer but, it’s not uncommon for a minority group’s music to be cherished and even coopted by the same people who hold racist sentiments toward them. It can be a bridge toward racial harmony too, no doubt. But as an American hearing someone say they like a minority group’s music and then nothing beyond that does feel sus and I’m sure the Europeans can guess why!
“but i like the caricature of the dancing g****, they seem so happy and carefree”
Hearing that “I am not racist…” opener is usually a signal that someone is about to share some absolutely unhinged point of view.
I didn’t mean it that way. There’s a couple of famous musicians who really make the general consensus about travelers mainly positive.
Furthermore like I said there’s more many people that have verbalized something anti-zigian in my presence, and I’ve been here a while.
Imagine the day Lemmy will be able to read a sentence correctly and not immediately rush to bad faith interpretations. Frankly this post made me lose hope to ever have an interesting discussion here.
There wouldn’t need to be a lifting of general opinion if there wasn’t a widespread negative opinion. Of a race. You know, like racism.
Ya dunce.
Learn to read before commenting. You’re just validating my take.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Romani_sentiment
Scroll to “contemporary antiziganism.”
I only said that I think generally in my country there isn’t a staunch common hatred against them. I didn’t deny that there is any.
People take my words to mean something completely different then I intended.
Sometimes I wonder how much hate is prevented or deferred by America’s identity as an immigrant nation and pride in that fact, compared to other western places like Europe.
We do still have “Illegals are coming to take your job” economic anxiety propaganda on the right.
Urban areas where people of different backgrounds live and work together tend to be less racist, rural homogeneous areas tend to be more so.
I can’t speak to Europe, but contrasting the milquetoast euphemism “American racial tensions” against a picture of Hitler seems to be going really easy on the United States.
The point is to whitewash America’s racism, it’s okay because the Europeans also are a bit racist. Don’t try to compare how similar or different it is, that would destroy their take.
Idk, ask a European about Muslims and all of a sudden I’m talking to my grandparents.
Ask an American about Obama and see how welcoming of Muslims they are. (Yes Obama is not Muslim, that’s the point)
Hashtagnotalleuropeans
LMAO, there’s literally someone in this thread JAQing off trying to defend anti-Romani racism. Even on reddit, it usually takes longer for someone to start defending American racism.
“A bit” is an understatement. Europe is just as bad.
Yes and? That’s missing the point and falling directly into what the OP wants
Can’t let OP get away with pointing out racism
All you need to know about European racism is that Prince Andrew is the second least popular Royal ahead of the black lady.
Every reddit euro sub in a nutshell
Some screenshots of (auto-translated) Reddit comments from r/Slovakia. I don’t know if usernames and profile pictures would count as doxing, so I removed them.
Holy shit. Positive karma and everything.
Literally happened yesterday to me…
Europeans love how fascist the US is right now, makes their professional fascism much more palletable.
American racism is playing the game on casual mode.
EU racism is ranked mode, everyone is smurfing and tryharding.
Show me the most racist American video you can find and I’ll show you a Tuesday in Austria.
I can show you countless lynching and hanging from America. Show me that Tuesday in Austria?
Sources show there have been 10 black Americans found hanged in the US since 2024.Compare the population of the U.S. to Austria.
White, Black, Asian, and Latino males are often found hanging from trees in essentially every single country, males have astronomically higher incidence rates of suicide than women. The only reason it makes news here is because of the historical context for one specific race.
Literally zero cases have been tied to lynchings, no video evidence has ever surfaced, rather video evidence has shown the individuals alone, no physical evidence has ever surfaced. Every piece of evidence points to suicide, even independent coroners find zero evidence of struggle when families have demanded a review.
So go ahead, show those videos of them being lynched and I’ll show you an Austrian tuesday.
