Some Americans will justify not voting by using Palestine as an example. Well, yeah, your dems suck too but it’s not a reason to not take action. Voting is easy enough, and at least it really works. Fantasizing about the Revolution won’t do shit.
Voting is easy enough, and at least it really works
Provided your definition of “works” is to preserve an untenable status quo against the people who want to make it worse, then sure.
For those of us looking for actual improvement, voting hasn’t “worked” in over 50 years.
Also voting is a way to shift the Overton window. If the left wing party has a thumping majority, those in the party with more radical views (like being against genocide /s) actually have room to manoeuvre and pressure their leader, or even to split off and form their own party.
Exactly. People can’t just fix everything in one go. And having a “left” majority will at least give a chance to shift the narrative.
Hungary, Brazil, Serbia, Slovenia, possibly Israel, have all rejected Right Wing governments, and Europe has been fighting hard against Right Wing challenges. The Right is struggling hard, and generally not winning. Their biggest prize, the United States, is working to reject them as well.
Do you know the party landscape in Israel?
Please please please, America. Get your orange, shit stained, geriatric, pedo rapist, despotini
into an electric chair,prison,care, under control. We’re begging you! -The rest of the worldAnti-fraud measures played a huge part as well both in Hungary and Serbia. Groups of volunteers hung around voting stations, spotting and reporting irregularities. Sometimes getting threatened by burly men who brought dozens of impoverished people who sold their votes in vans and stuff like that. They’re the unsung heroes of these elections.
I didn’t know they organized to this extent. That’s awesomey thanks for the link.
There haven’t been many English-language articles on the topic - I’m trying not to be paranoid about it, but it crossed my mind that it’s a bit suspicious. With Trump’s history and interference intentions, I think the importance of citizen preparation and organization cannot be overstated.
I hadn’t read anything about this in Finnish either. What languages have there been articles in?
I’ve read a few in Hungarian. Here’s one about the Hungarian election, here’s another about the Serbian election. Maybe machine translation can help?
But you know what? The documentary the Hungarian volunteers made to raise awareness is available with both English and Finnish subtitles on YouTube! It’s a bit long, but it might be worth a watch!
I don’t think I’ll survive 16 more years of this
Thankfully, I doubt trump will either. The sooner the better!
I’m sure the CIA has a heart attack gun. If they really wanted rid of him they could be rid of him.
I suppose the problem really is he’s a symptom rather than the cause. Getting rid of trump doesn’t do anything about the Republicans who allowed this to happen in the first place and were totally okay with it even when he started killing people.
Unless America deals with those people the possibility of returning to a trump like regime always exists.
It’s why Europe no longer trusts the United States, even if a Democrat replaces trump there’s no guarantee that things won’t go back to the way they are now in four years time. That is not an ally that can be relied upon.
I suppose the problem really is he’s a symptom rather than the cause
Yes, but he’s a symptom of Neoliberal Capitalism, which is a bipartisan disease. Clinton ending Welfare as we knew it is just as much responsible for Trump as Reagan gutting unions.
The problem is Vance can’t have 2.49 terms yet.
As soon as he can, trump will either die or be 25thed
Getting rid of trump doesn’t do anything about the Republicans who allowed this to happen in the first place and were totally okay with it even when he started killing people.
Yep, we’d need to undo Citizens United, arrest/disband the entirety of the Heritage Foundation, expand the Supreme Court seats, set term and age limits for all politicians/officials seeking office, and that’s just the bare fucking minimum.
All guns are heart attack guns if you know how to aim.
The CIA has always been conservative
Genuinely curious, has hungary managed to undo any of orban’s meddling in the interceding months? I assume the answer is no.
Actually Peter Magyar, the new president, pass laws to ban Orban from returning to power and purged Orban-appointed officials.
It will take years of work, but they made a great start on it.
Not only don’t listen to the “both parties are the same” people - get them out of your life, block them, move on to giving your time to people who believe in change. It’s not naive to believe in making progress, it’s naive to think it won’t take hard work and have lots of setbacks.
Both sides are the same can be progressive as well. You have to know that voting won’t solve your problems while seeing that it can give marginal improvement.
Absolutely. Let them wallow in their defeatist echo chambers. The word for people who insist you can never win is Losers.
Both sides are the same. In that they both serve the Epstein class.
But one side wants to give you health care.
The other side wants to let you die because Line Go Up!
But one side wants to give you health care
Well, part of one side. There are Dem politicians who either don’t support M4A or only support it when it clearly has no chance of succeeding and thus their support will be irrelevant, dropping that support when it starts mattering.
I’m kind of there with you.
“Both sides are bad” = true.
“Both sides are the same” = false.
Both sides are bad, but we stand a better chance of fixing the one that actually wants us to have elections.
And really ‘both sides’ are bad because we let them be. More attendance and information for primaries and choices would probably be a hell of a lot more palatable in most places.
One side is:
- raping children
- murdering US citizens
- dismantling the healthcare system without the required approval
- bragging about tampering with voting machines
- starting trade wars and
- starting actual wars.
The other side, for all their faults, are not doing all that.
Except Hungary is a mostly reasonable country that had one major bad actor. In recent history, it has invaded 0 countries, forced its interests on another 0 countries, and caused the deaths of 0 civilians.
Whereas the US has had nothing but extremely bad actors. Ever since its foundation it’s been doing hardly anything but genocide and meddling in other countries’ processes.
Hungarians could choose a relatively reasonable opposition. Even if far from perfect, still a meaningful upgrade.
Americans can only choose between genocidal pedophiles. Even the best possible presidential candidate will be a barely noticeable improvement. At best.
This is not a fair or reasonable comparison.
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The Republicans are going to expand their majorities, In fact I never expect the Democrats to meaningfully hold power ever again. The overton window has shifted too far to the right.
The 19th will be repealed by 2040
Marriage Equality by 2030
At some point, sodomy laws are coming back alongside bans for gender affirming care for adults.
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What?
Why do you think Republicans will expand their majorities? Polls indicate it’ll be a bloodbath in favour of Dems.
Polls also said Hillary and Kamala would win
Whom does this doomsaying help?
People need to be aware of the truth, it’s over.
What’s the plan then? Put more chum in the water while in it and expect the shark will leave some alive?
