Hey, we got some troll baiting going on in this thread. Don’t fall for it. If you start to feel angry, that’s the point.
Go after the idea, not the user.
this is what right wingers actually believe in general, they believe its higher because of gun control.
Seems to? That’s their entire MO: lie about shit to make Republicans look less terrible at governing
Yeah if it makes ‘them’ look bad, that’s something to bury, but if they can make the democratic party look bad…let’s do it! Hypocrisy is their jam. Now I’m getting Austin Powers recently thawed scene in my head, hypocrisy isn’t my jam…one book by Republicans, hypocrisy is my jam…baby. Okay well I’ll take it to move things along.
It’s called overreporting.
Make more than one report on the same one crime, so people will think it’s multiple different crimes.
And I just went to look up the homicide numbers for Philly out of instinct. 262 last year… Which is 36% less than the previous year. And still higher per capita than Houston.
Go birds!
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Cars are actually a bigger threat than guns in San Francisco. There were 41 traffic fatalities last year, and on average traffic violence seriously injures 8 people each day. I suspect the situation is similar in Houston.
gun culture isnt a thing in sf, but the amount of car collision related death is very high. alot of people dont know how to drive, many are drunk, or on thier phones. i think last year, alone on one stop a driver end up killing a bunch of people on a bus stop on a public transit hub.
There’s no such thing as a “Republican state,” nearly every state is split somewhere between 51/49 and 60/40. There are “Republican-run states,” but inside every Republican-run state is a “Democrat-run city” which has been a convenient narrative for Republicans of late. Houston’s mayor is a Democrat, and Harris county has more registered Democrats than Republicans; in 2024 metro Houston voted for Kamala over Trump.
Whether Abbot or Whitmire is more to blame for Houston’s violence is just a political distraction. Both bear some responsibility and I’m tired of both sides running finger-pointing narratives rather than trying to find constructive solutions.
I hear there is a national guard bonanza going on? Maybe ask them to help get all that crime off your streets Texas.
Lol no, in America the military isn’t allowed to police.
I’d argue about per capita but nobody who sees this cares about that.
I mean…
A population of 873,965 in San Fran vs 2,304,580 in Houston.
1 in ~25,000 people in San Fran get murdered vs 1 in ~7,150 people in Houston. That’s ~3.5x higher. Per capita isn’t helping much here.
It’s helping a lot
I’m not saying SF is more dangerous. I’m just saying people are idiots who don’t understand statistics. Which is what got us into this mess.
You are right to call it out.
OP is poorly presented. Murder rates should be presented at number per 100k.
Anything else is a shiti spin.
And yes that’s how we got here to begin with.
When truth is on your side, why are these idiots adding unnecessary spin?
Truth has been on our side this whole time and it hasn’t mattered an iota. So I don’t care about making sure everything is laid out “just so” anymore. The 2-second walkaway is the win.
I’ve changed my mind about this.
People are idiots and campaigning like they’re not is how you lose.
Make shit up, misrepresent statistics, flat out lie. I don’t give a fuck anymore.
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all. The murder rate in San Francisco is still too high, if you compare it with other nations and their cities. Considering how much surveillance and how much money their government pumps in the police system… you would think they finally would wake up and find out that all those measures are only in place to protect the capital of the ruling class and not the citizens…
Yeah, the 32 of 827k population SF is pretty damn awful when compared to the 54 of 6m population Denmark or the 13 of 1.4m population Copenhagen…
One of a million pieces of data pointing at the fact that surveillance and law enforcement is NOT how you bring down crime.
I’m going to make an educated guess at two big reasons as to why the US has a much higher murder rate compared to other wealthy nations: guns and income inequality.
in both sf and houston is pretty well demarcated areas that are more affluent and the poor areas. most of them were probably near the tenderloin area too.
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all.
Genuine question (for you or anyone else with the same mentality): what would you do? Everyone on this website talks about how weird Americans are for just “being ok with everything going on” when in fact most of us aren’t and have practically no ability to do anything about it that doesn’t result in our own immediate death.
Besides, “amass enough capital (in a system designed to prevent you from amassing capital) to leave this shitty country”, what would you actually do? Since it’s mind blowing that we’re not doing it and all…
(Sorry if this comes across as angry or directed at you, it’s frustrating to live in a dumpster fire and read comments all day from people not in the dumpster fire implying that I’m just totally ok with said dumpster fire.)
There are multiple factors contributing to high murder rates:
- Guns: ban them.
- Mental health: provide free support for mental health issue, including a phone number where people can safely report friends and relatives in crisis. Today if you report, they send police officers totally untrained and unprepared for these situations and that easily ends up in drama
- Gangs: a lot of the murders are gang members against gang members. There is no miraculous solution to that. But I would advocate: decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs, provide shooting rooms with support (both physical and mental) freely available. I would even support offering drugs substitutes for free under control. If the drug price collapses, their business collapses.
So: vote for someone who will support social science based policies.
I’m sorry there are no easier way. “Get tough on crime” is the solution that was experimented the most and has proven again and again to be inefficient.
Edit: you may already be doing that, don’t take this as an assumption you don’t. I understand the frustration and that feeling of being powerless while people ask you “why aren’t you DOING something about it?”.
You are not wrong about 2 and 3. But right now banning guns will make the other side of the issue worse: the police.
As an individual: Definitely leave. Generally I think some people ought to shut up and get the hell out instead of impotently complaining online.
I think what these posters are asking about, though, is how it is possible that the American people in aggregate support this system? And they do. Just like how about half of Israelis support Netanyahu. Sure sure. Electoral college, voting system, bla bla. Trump won the popular vote against Harris. How? This is clearly an electorate that itself is the problem. The people of the US doesn’t suffer under its government. The people of the US suffers because it chooses to.
I literally don’t have the money to leave
Leave to become an immigrant in another country that ends up deporting us?
Using all this money that we don’t have?
Bringing our direct family with us, tearing them away from friendships and other family?
Cool idea
I see you want to live in the US after all. Valid thing to do. But don’t complain about the consequences.
you act as if leaving a country like the US, and emigrating to another is that easy? its not the EU where you can move much more freely in the continent. cultural, financial, language barriers exists.
You can move freely in the EU, but all the non-legal barriers are the same as everywhere else.
And what about the consequences of leaving? You expect me to think the US is the only country that has been becoming more hostile to immigrants?
Oh, some of us a are very aware. But theres not much we can do when living in a facist police state that has half the country raving mad about where people shit with their fearmongering propaganda.
Houston, we have a problem
problem(s)
If you think Greg Abbott isn’t chomping at the bit to take over Houston municipal government and have all the local elected officials ejected, you haven’t been paying attention to Texas politics in at least ten years.
champing*
Fyi, that isn’t the standard across the English speaking world and never heard champing before being on this website.
Champing was the standard (even if you’d never heard it) and now it isn’t. Chomping is an accepted version of the phrase now. Language in the act of changing.
It’s at least a 40 y/o change.
Sure, at least. I remember reading “champing” in the phrase (in books that were at least decades old by then) as a yout and questioning whether that was a typo or a mistake because I was certain I’d heard it as “chomping” when someone spoke it. My english teacher stated more and more people used “chomping” and it wasn’t necessarily wrong. That was in the late 70’s. I am olde and get offa my lawn.
Archaic or rarely-used words often get preserved in idioms like this.
And pointing it out is needlessly pedantic.
Potato tomato
But “chomping” is fine.
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I haven’t, I live very far from there. Just wanted to humorously throw in that famous quote
What’s the per capita rate?
Thanks, this should almost be annotated on the image before reposting here - so important
Looks like Houston is 11.5 and San Francisco is 4 per 100k.
They specifically and frequently point out Houston is a “Democrat-run” city populated by Blacks; Their echo chamber is way ahead of you here and This would only reinforce their beliefs
Chicago is played out, they gotta find a new place to point at for the ‘urban crime’ types.
Not really. Remember how much milage they got out of ‘lets go brandon.’?
So sick of USA politics showing up everywhere.
It’s the canary in the coal mine.
It’s silly, the community allows any tweets except international politics. So it will just be overrun by US tweets.
Make it easy on yourself, just block the community. US Defaultism doesn’t go away
whitepeopletwitter has always been US centric posts, both on reddit and on this,. you should look into nonpoliticaltwitter if your so anal about it.
Maybe you could make your own Internet?
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Seems like you could use a quick session if you ask me. You seem tense.
Maybe you should submit an email use facial recognition and show a government issued I.D. To join another excessively censored and heavy handed modded instance?
The murder rate in the USA, for a supposed 1st World civilized country is fucking pathetic. Life is cheap in the USA. The labor laws and healthcare system stress out society and one has nothing to lose. Yes, the Red Run Oblasts have plenty of violent crime and gun related deaths.
its designed that way, so the "oligarchs can stay rich more easier and not get taxed. Poor education, poor healthcare, breeds cannon fodder for the military, and for profit prisons, which apparently, prisoners are used as part of the census for gop states.
Most people don’t care… Bad numbers are just that numbers.
But bad numbers for other countries is propaganda fodder.
