Opponents say [Washington state] voters were persuaded at least partly because the initiative and its boosters exploited deep-seated prejudices and misunderstandings about transgender people to erode their rights.

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    Do you believe a SMD of 0.19 with a 95%CI that includes 0 to be a significant difference? If so, your degree is a useless piece of paper and you did not learn anything in college, probably because you can’t read.

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      I 100% do, especially when combined with the structural differences in musculo-skeletal connections and tissue that this study but others have measured. If a doping/cheating method provided similar results, it would be banned from the sport, fuck they banned certain swimsuits over less.

      This also doesn’t address at all the ability of trans men to metabolize testosterone quicker allowing them to more effectively hide steroid use and doping.

      Yep, you’ve 100% convinced me that this argument you’re presenting is not about the facts at all but about your feelings.

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        When you say “they banned swimsuits” or “it would be banned”, you are talking about sports leagues making decisions on sports. We are talking about the government deciding who can and cannot play sports. I do not understand why you want the government to decide who can participate in sports, no matter how strongly you feel about your hobby.

        In regards to the science, since you seemingly wasted your time at college, let me explain what 5 min of Google revealed. SMD is Standardized Mean Difference, which is how much difference there is between two groups. An SMD of .19 is statisically insignificant. The minimum bound for statistically insignificant is actually .2, so the difference in lean muscle that you love spouting on about is even less than noticable. The 95%CI is a measurement of how much overlap there is between two groups. If the range includes zero, then the two groups overlap each other so much that if you were to chart them on a graph, they’d be centered in mostly the same place. A 95%CI with ranges -.14 to .53 means there is significant overlap between the two groups, with the data suggesting that some trans women might have a little more lean muscle than cis women, but overall, most trans women have a similar amount of lean muscle to cis women.

        If I were to make a conclusion about this, I would say that the vast majority of trans women athletes do not exhibit significant differences in lean muscle when compared to cis women. If there is any uncertainty, that is because there are so few trans women athletes to analyze, but none of the currently availble data would suggest trans women hold any biological advantages over cis women.

        It is truly incredible that my 5 minutes of Google educated me past your degree in Exercise Science.

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          It is truly incredible that you believe 5min on google beats a degree, but that is the state of the world today, and shows your level of intellectual honesty. This is how facebook anti-vaxxing moms do things after all.

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            Where’s your data science boy? Where’s your research and numbers Mr. Exercise? All throughout our interaction, I seem to be the only one using facts and figures while you harp on and on about your feelings and beliefs.

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              Aw, you mad bro? Yeah this isn’t about your feelings at all is it.

              We’ve been talking over the same study for like 10 comments, I can tell by your reading level you’re not capable of understanding that because of my educational and professional background I have some differing opinions on the conclusions of those involved with the study, and I’m allowed to. Thankfully voters agreed with me more, and those same leagues you want to dictate things have pretty universally applied anti-trans rules. So I think despite you whining and crying about what you want, you’re not gonna get it.

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                That’s a whole lotta words to say you have no data. Your strongest argument so far has been to call me a meaniebobeanie.

                It’s absurd that you claim to be a trans ally while advocating the government ban them from participating in society based solely on your opinions and not the scientific consensus. I’m sure once transgender people become more widely accepted, you’ll quietly pretend you were always an advocate, the same way bigots pretend to do about gay people and black people.

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                  Nah my strongest argument so far has been the study’s own results which proves there is a difference, and a trans person can’t fully change sex. They’re still biologically male or female.