If there is a 2nd American Civil War, I would be alright with conservatives not having vaccines. Disease was the #1 cause of fatalities in warfare, and I would like to have fewer enemies to fight.
When it comes to disease and medicine, the two most valuable things for preserving life, is infrastructure (shelter), and logistics. Back in WW2, troops that ended up in places far from urban hubs tended to be exposed to the elements or had to string out their supplies. As such, they tended to die from a mixture of cold, mosquitos, heat, famine, wet, and filth. Where America is concerned, it SHOULD be relatively safe for most soldiers, because there is an abundance of roads that pass by some form of shelter.
However, I suspect that the Trump Regime would have difficulty with managing logistics. It seems like that they don’t value nor understand supply chains or other fine details. The National Guard troops that were deployed to LA, for example, didn’t have bedding for resting. While those troops can tank an one-off like that, the Regime has been dismantling all sorts of things that keep people in tip-top shape. For example, the erosion of the weather service, means that soldiers will be more easily exposed to bad conditions. The destruction of food quality inspection, means that troops are more likely to have bad rations. Medical services are being rolled back, too. Trade with foreign nations is also likely to be cut off or reduced, which also means that troops could be lacking boots. (Quality boots are literal life or death for deployed troops.) All of this adds up to troops becoming vulnerable to the Four Horsemen.
It is my expectation that the Blue States would win a prolonged civil war, simply because they tend to understand the implications of policy.
While not directly related to vaccines, the latest episode of Perun goes over the economics of soldiers, including medical costs. It is a good channel if you want analysis about modern conflicts. I wouldn’t be surprised if Perun starts covering America itself in the coming decade.
I suspect you know far more about warfare generally than myself.
I agree that the Trump administration doesn’t care for small unsexy details like logistics, however I’m certain that the US army cares a great detail about it, and has the requisite knowledge, infrastructure, and culture to get it right.
The national guard troops in LA example isn’t really indicative of what would happen in a civil war. It was a temporary issue.
Your expectation that the Blue States might win a prolonged war based on their attention to the mundane might be sensible if both sides command relatively equal air land and sea hardware. However, it seems much more likely to me that such a conflict would be fairly short lived. If one side had a majority of the armed forces line up behind them then they’re the winner before you even get started really.
I only have intermediate knowledge. Most of it comes from sources like Behind the Bastards, Lions Led by Donkeys, Perun, Civilis Historia, Ken Burn’s Civil War, Ken Burn’s Vietnam, and so forth. You will have to ask a veteran officer or historian for better information. Anyhow, I will relate what I vaguely recall.
The Trump Regime has been doing many things to erode the competence and loyalty of the federal military. For example, destroying the cultural clubs that soldiers were part of, removing medical care from LGBTQ+ members, eliminating proven minority leadership and replacing them with white dudes like Hegseth, whitewashing history like the ‘Enola Gay’ from military libraries, and so on. This also applies to three-letter agencies. In effect, the most capable soldiery of America’s military is no longer part of the federal government, which allows them to be hired by Blue States.
Also, the United States are huge. Short of decapitating the majority of Blue State leadership in one fell blow, it is unlikely for the Trump Regime to own the majority of the military. The soldiers and their leaders are much more likely to be loyal to their respective states than the concept of the United States, especially if the federal government has been mistreating them. Trump himself said that soldiers are suckers, and they will remember such acts of disrespect towards their service. Soldiers are not automated drones, they have thoughts and feelings, as many an empire has fatally discovered.
After the 1st American Civil War was declared, many people throughout the nation moved around to wherever was more ideologically suited to them. You had southerners joining the north’s military, and the reverse. If a new civil war breaks out, it is very likely that the half of the first year would be spent on shuffling around men and hardware, alongside communities deciding where they belong. It would be extremely messy, and won’t lend itself to an instant resolution of a war.
I almost hope there is another huge pandemic, it would probably be the best and easiest way of fighting the war against fascism in America.
Its probably just anxiety but since the last one I haven’t been able to shake the feeling that another is inevitable.
In absofuckinglutely horrifying recent news: https://www.npr.org/2025/08/25/nx-s1-5515487/new-world-screwworm-us-human-case
Though I think that’ll just fuck up our dairy and beef supply more than people.
I’m worried that the next pandemic is polio.
You may just have a choice:
If there is a 2nd American Civil War, I would be alright with conservatives not having vaccines. Disease was the #1 cause of fatalities in warfare, and I would like to have fewer enemies to fight.
I dont really know much about this but I know youre probably right in the context of the world wars.
Was it Spanish flu? IDK, but poor nutrition, hygiene, and close proximity in the trenches was a huge factor.
In a present day war, it would probably be different? Still some “dug in” defences but far more ranged, airborne, and remotely controlled armaments.
When it comes to disease and medicine, the two most valuable things for preserving life, is infrastructure (shelter), and logistics. Back in WW2, troops that ended up in places far from urban hubs tended to be exposed to the elements or had to string out their supplies. As such, they tended to die from a mixture of cold, mosquitos, heat, famine, wet, and filth. Where America is concerned, it SHOULD be relatively safe for most soldiers, because there is an abundance of roads that pass by some form of shelter.
However, I suspect that the Trump Regime would have difficulty with managing logistics. It seems like that they don’t value nor understand supply chains or other fine details. The National Guard troops that were deployed to LA, for example, didn’t have bedding for resting. While those troops can tank an one-off like that, the Regime has been dismantling all sorts of things that keep people in tip-top shape. For example, the erosion of the weather service, means that soldiers will be more easily exposed to bad conditions. The destruction of food quality inspection, means that troops are more likely to have bad rations. Medical services are being rolled back, too. Trade with foreign nations is also likely to be cut off or reduced, which also means that troops could be lacking boots. (Quality boots are literal life or death for deployed troops.) All of this adds up to troops becoming vulnerable to the Four Horsemen.
It is my expectation that the Blue States would win a prolonged civil war, simply because they tend to understand the implications of policy.
While not directly related to vaccines, the latest episode of Perun goes over the economics of soldiers, including medical costs. It is a good channel if you want analysis about modern conflicts. I wouldn’t be surprised if Perun starts covering America itself in the coming decade.
The Long-Term Costs of War - The Price of Life, Economics of Casualties & Russia’s War
I suspect you know far more about warfare generally than myself.
I agree that the Trump administration doesn’t care for small unsexy details like logistics, however I’m certain that the US army cares a great detail about it, and has the requisite knowledge, infrastructure, and culture to get it right.
The national guard troops in LA example isn’t really indicative of what would happen in a civil war. It was a temporary issue.
Your expectation that the Blue States might win a prolonged war based on their attention to the mundane might be sensible if both sides command relatively equal air land and sea hardware. However, it seems much more likely to me that such a conflict would be fairly short lived. If one side had a majority of the armed forces line up behind them then they’re the winner before you even get started really.
I only have intermediate knowledge. Most of it comes from sources like Behind the Bastards, Lions Led by Donkeys, Perun, Civilis Historia, Ken Burn’s Civil War, Ken Burn’s Vietnam, and so forth. You will have to ask a veteran officer or historian for better information. Anyhow, I will relate what I vaguely recall.
The Trump Regime has been doing many things to erode the competence and loyalty of the federal military. For example, destroying the cultural clubs that soldiers were part of, removing medical care from LGBTQ+ members, eliminating proven minority leadership and replacing them with white dudes like Hegseth, whitewashing history like the ‘Enola Gay’ from military libraries, and so on. This also applies to three-letter agencies. In effect, the most capable soldiery of America’s military is no longer part of the federal government, which allows them to be hired by Blue States.
Also, the United States are huge. Short of decapitating the majority of Blue State leadership in one fell blow, it is unlikely for the Trump Regime to own the majority of the military. The soldiers and their leaders are much more likely to be loyal to their respective states than the concept of the United States, especially if the federal government has been mistreating them. Trump himself said that soldiers are suckers, and they will remember such acts of disrespect towards their service. Soldiers are not automated drones, they have thoughts and feelings, as many an empire has fatally discovered.
After the 1st American Civil War was declared, many people throughout the nation moved around to wherever was more ideologically suited to them. You had southerners joining the north’s military, and the reverse. If a new civil war breaks out, it is very likely that the half of the first year would be spent on shuffling around men and hardware, alongside communities deciding where they belong. It would be extremely messy, and won’t lend itself to an instant resolution of a war.
The one time when coughing in crowded spaces would be socially acceptable and morally just.
It did a pretty good job on them the first time. Fingers crossed for COVID 2: The Defuckening