REAL MERCH for TRUE CONSUMERS. I cannot believe that GAVIN WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
All hail God Emperor Gavin!
A bad leader today is better than a good leader tomorrow. Dems have had 10 years to figure out an effective strategy and developed leaders to compete against Trump, they’ve failed. Newsom isn’t a good choice but he’s the only one whose shown any effective strategy against Trump. Wtf are we supposed to do? Keep waiting while Republicans dismantle the fuel of law, democracy and the entire framework the country function on?
Newsom isn’t a good choice but he’s the only one whose shown any effective strategy against Trump.
Effective how? Has Gavin kept a single innocent person out of jail, funded a single defunded program, protected a single city from Guard occupation?
What has Gavin created except ChatGPT imitations of Trump tweets and AI image slop? What has Gavin done except promote himself?
Gavin’s not effective opposition. He just paid TikTok enough money to promote his meme shit that he looks viral. And his bullshit is going to last just about as long as “Kamala is brat” or Walz calling people “weird” did.
Mamdani has shown us an effective strategy, too. Stand for the people. Actually run on the fucking left. Don’t just talk shit about Trump - actually oppose his policies. And convince working class Americans you really do stand with them, so they don’t turn to right wing populist scumbags out of sheer desperation to be heard.
But that’s not going to happen. Because the dirty Democrat secret is that the DNC leadership agrees with most of Trump’s positions. They just want to implement them more politely.
Every time proper left wing policy is offered to Americans, you vote it down. Progressive policy does not fly in the US.
Your country has abandoned you GI, why donate your time and effort to a nation that only takes? Defect GI, migrate to a nation that appreciates your labour. Come to Australia! We have nationalised health care, some of the highest wages in the world, the best electoral system in the world, and Melbourne constantly ranking as one the best cities in the world.
Obligatory “Fuck off, we’re full” aside, honestly showing a few Americans what an actual functioning country looks like wouldn’t actually be a bad thing.
But maybe send them somewhere other than Melbourne and Sydney; Perth and Adelaide both get needlessly slept on.
You could always keep doing nothing and hope things change. A lot of people chose this option. It didn’t work this time but who knows….
If we get an election in 2028 and Gavin is the stinker propped up against whatever Trump 2.0 is going to be, we can try not voting again and see if things change.
Cool. So to clarify:
- Newsom’s strategy is to copy Trumps.
- Democratic Voter strategy is to vote for Newsom and pray all he copies from Trump is campaign strategies.
Remember Bernie and his horde of young male Bernie Bros supporters?
Remember Mamdani and his horde of Republican supporters?
Yeah. Dems just need policies that made these candidates popular if they want young male and Republican voters.
Instead, they fight these candidates harder than any Republican.
Maybe if Democrats want votes they should do more of what makes them popular, not what brings popularity to Trump.
Until then, it’s no surprise they’re struggling with respect because they’ve done nothing but ignore what works for their constituents in favor of what works for Trump. Eventually there will be no difference in behavior at all, which is basically where we are now.
Imo, the better strategy would simply be for every Dem to abandon the party, and instead register as Republican. Trump reformed the entire GOP in 10 years because they have no rules for who they’ll let into the party. Seeing as there’s far more registered Democrats in the country than republicans, and the GOP is a lot weaker towards reformation because of Trump, taking them over with progressives and progressive policies would just be putting condidates in place who don’t lie to their GOP constituents.
Honestly, if you want progress, Democrats should start a movement to abandon their party and reform the GOP into the organization it used to be. INCLUDING Democrat candidates. You want to take advantage of gerrymandering? Do it as the GOP instead of fighting them.
This is basically what Russia did to the GOP and in its shape, it would not at all be hard to take it back. And once the GOP isn’t all foreign agents promoting an media echo chamber working for a dictator, there’s no more evil party the Dems have to fight.
Taking on Trump from the outside has literally never worked. And in the last 20 years, the GOP has undone almost 100 years of American and Democratic policy.
So take them over with non insane Americans, and the GOP bullshit ends.
If you fight them as Democrats, they just get stronger, because Democrats just fight with words.
Not that this will ever happen. But it’s by far the best option America has for moving forward.
Leave it to Lemmy to hate everything and everyone while doing jackshit themselves.
Edit: I take it back, you do jack shit, you downvote people who call you out on it. Bunch of complainers. Go be the change you want to see in the world or shut up. Now’s the time for it.
Very well put! Thank you. More people need to understand how the concept of nuance works and how to apply it to the reality they live in.
They voted (and didn’t vote) based entirely on their wishful thinking of a perfect world in which everything they hate is solved by one person.
And they still didn’t learn from it.
As a non American, I’m so weirded out by people hyping Newsom’s* lame trolling as the second coming of Christ.
It’s a real dumb country to dominate the world, and despite all the suffering it will involve, I’m glad it’s finally collapsing. All the best to you non-insane people living there though, I’m rooting for you (but not betting on you, yet).
*His Gen Z social media staff
Mockery is an important tool against fascists and other authoritarians. It was even used effectively against Hitler. Their power is entirely projection and something needs to break the glass.
It needs someone who doesn’t hate trans people, doesn’t platform fascists, and doesn’t rip up homeless encampments with his bare hands. Stop acting like this guy is anything less than the scum of the earth, we can do so goddamn much better and dems are completely fucked if they pick him as candidate. Stop making him look like a valid choice
Rallying around a positive alternative is more likely to be successful than never-candidate-x campaigns. Are there candidates you favor?
Literally anyone left of reagan, and at least as tough on israel (even remotely willing to do anything about them committing genocide). Not too many liberals out there doing anything to stop israel, iirc Ilhan Omar has and she seems cool. But why do you need me to suggest better candidates? Are you incapable of thinking of and supporting one better than gavin? Do you rally around the first liberal you see no matter what their track record is?
Dems don’t getit. we don’t want someone who acts like Trump, we want someone who is effective in getting what they want passed like Trump.
Supreme Court members impeached starting with alito.
Healthcare for all.
Crash the housing market by imposing taxes on anything beyond a second home
Speak for yourself. I’ve been saying Dems should be mocking his stupid speech patterns and hyperbolic nonsense since 2016. He is ripe to be mocked, and our greatest failing has been treating his stupidity and absurdity as valid stances worthy of being debated in earnest.
By taking a high road against him we’ve basically destroyed ourselves and legitimized his positions via the gray fallacy.
Coulda won the election by just going around making fun of him for being dumb enough to think injecting bleach was a solution to COVID.
Also this
The point of Neoliberalism, like any other conservative ideology, is to distract from their lack of useful policy and pocket tax payer money until it collapses.
I have always been partial to the red “Made You Look (black lives matter)” hats myself.
Toss some of those bad boys on there!!!
Oh I love that!
Obligatory fuck Newsom, but also a signed constitution would’ve probably been a better statement.
Well, Trump also sold Bibles.
The EU should play his own game and funnel foreign campaign money for none-GOP people through these stores.
Of course we should have done this years ago since at this point we won’t have fair elections, but for a brief moment, I was satisfied with my thought.
As long as it’s not Gavin, he really sucks in other ways.
Gosh I love that even many years out we can start shitting on everyone popular or that has a chance of winning because they aren’t trans friendly enough.
Gonna be fantastic watching this waiting for Trump’s 3rd term.
Bro, we haven’t even started the primaries, isn’t this the exact time to ask for better? The anti-trans thing is only part of it. He’s also a capitalist shit heel who rubber stamps PG&E’s agenda with 0 push back. Is extremely anti-homeless. Doesn’t do the bare fucking minimum to push back against police brutality in LA. But yeah I should just forgive that before the primaries even start because his team did something witty on twitter.
It absolutely is. I’m a big proponent of getting in line to oppose Republicans when it’s election time, but the second the election is over until the second the primaries are over is the time to talk shit, find options, get behind folks who align with your beliefs, and make your voice heard. Because right now we’re setting who gets a seat at the table. We’re setting what kind of promises will be made.
Sure, you’re not wrong. I just don’t have faith it’ll stop at this point. I’ve watched it too many times. Progressives, especially in the US just can’t toe the line and pick each other apart. Media doesn’t help.
The problem is neither can liberals. Look at the NY election. The Democratic Party is at least two different parties in a trenchcoat, but one has no billionaire backing, the other one has no popular backing.
I lumped the entire group, I agree neither can come together.
But I feel you go off the rails when you say the other one has no popular banking and entirely pass the blame. At best we’re back to hyperbole, at worst you’ve completely diminished a huge population.
There is a huge group of more conservative Democrats who loved the Clintons and desperately wanted Hilary. Obama was the white savior and Democrats loved him as they ended racism (imma dip into /s here a bit), lots loved Biden right up until the end, and my wife has Kamala mugs. These people and others in the party have done some good. They’ve mostly kept a status quo, and they do a lot of shit nimbyism and worrying about some fake trans girl killing their kids.
They are flawed but generally good people. That’s not entirely driven by the Democratic party, the party mostly follows them. There have clearly been instances where it’s close and their influence has swayed shit, and that’s getting worse and fucking terrible, but the idea that what the Democrats do is a falsehood and not driven somewhat when your locality screams at you for increasing taxes and tossing a rehab center next door and see a chunk of your retirement gone. And what are they supposed to do?
These are real things that happen at the local level and shape the parties and in a fptp system, idk 🤷♂️.
It takes 2% to lose to fascism. I don’t have an answer, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen and your comment is a symptom of the larger problem. Not to say it was way out of line or particularly offensive, it mostly seems like dismissive of people and circumstances.
Do better. Support a better candidate. Stop supporting a man who hates trans and homeless people when he’s literally not even running. Why the fuck are you not asking for better? Why are you willing to throw trans people under the bus and blame us for getting trump elected when there literally isn’t even a primary or anything going on?
I’m not a fan of newsome because he’s a wolf in sheeps clothing.
He’s big oil all the way
Wow, I had no idea! 🙄
I honestly can’t tell if your comment was sarcastic or you contributed to the biggest ./woosh of 2025.
Yeah, uh. You’re comment isn’t that clever or insightfull enough. You made a dumb comment and are rightly bring downvoted.
Now. Can you explain why you fell its a woosh based on your comment I replied to earlier?
Perhaps your sarcasm or humour was lost from your mind to the text. It happens to everyone.
You did the thing in the comment.
Yeah, uh. You’re deleting every doe voted comment you get.
Go troll elsewhere
The EU needs to concentrate on keeping its own fascists under control.
I am getting very worried about the UK and Germany. It’s looking more and more like they will be in Russia’s pocket soon enough.
The uk is as cooked as the us. Those Id laws…
The EU should play his own game and funnel foreign campaign money for none-GOP people through these stores.
Why? The issue was never one of having too little money. Harris raised far more than Trump and still lost.
Shit if anything maybe taking less foreign bribes and focusing more on their citizens needs might have been a winning strategy.
Somehow, I don’t think the solution to this problem is more corruption
I mean at this point I’d try anything to not recreate Germany circa late 1930’s…
I really doubt the people in concentration camps would have agreed with “ya know what? Maybe fighting corruption with corruption isn’t something worth trying…”
I happen to know people who were in concentration camps.
They would’ve tried anything to stop it.
And it’s pretty fucking disgusting for you to use the victims of Nazis and the victims of concentration camps to try to make your point here.
Boost people experienced enough torment and torture and horror. Leave them alone and let them rest in peace.
You realize I’m arguing to try to stop what happened to them, from happening to others right? So yah, let’s use corruption to fight corruption, what else do we have to lose? I’m not really sure why you’d be against trying anything to reject recreating the horrors those people lived through and witnessed.
You’re on a moral high horse by telling me more corruption isn’t the answer, while also lecturing me about how horrible it was for those people. Let’s uh… Try whatever the heck might work to not have that happen again? Can we agree on that point at least?
One does not defeat the monster by becoming a monster. By definition, that means the monster won.
But, since we think it’s such a brilliant idea, how is corruption going to defeat the Nazis then or today? How is more corruption going to end up with us having freedom?
Right. That’s what I thought. Fucking nothing. It all sounds nice until you have to actually think about the results.
So, go on. Tell me how corruption is going to defeat the Nazis. Otherwise, shut up.
If you’re lucky, others will fight for your freedom which you think is so worthless and, instead, hopefully you’ll never experience inside of an oven.
Lol you gotta chill out dude. We both don’t want a repeat of the holocaust, we agree on that.
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You got the reading comprehension and reasoning ability of a struggling middle schooler. Whatever school you attended failed you, and I’m sorry for that.
You’re descending someone who made jokes about the holocaust. Don’t insult me to make your shitty actions appear more palatable.
I happen to know people who were in concentration camps.They would’ve tried anything to stop it.
So you do support their counter-corruption initiative or no?
One does not defeat the monster by becoming the monster. That’s called “surrender”.
And there’s nothing “counter” to the corruption proposed here.
No, surrender is shutting down minor forms of resistance as you are doing now.
Countering corruption (a) with corruption (b) is countering the original corruption.
Praising Nazis and the holocaust on an Internet forum is not “resistance”.
And if you think you’re some kind of freedom fighter, we’re all fucking doomed.
You are too stupid and too ridiculous to deserve any more of my attention. You’re blocked.
Go waste someone else’s time sucking Nazi dick and making jokes about the holocaust. Fuck you.
It’s become clear republicans have no interest in playing by the rules. I’m long past the point of caring, I just want them to hurt. Corrupt away
Guys keep on shitting on Gavin. I didn’t think we have enough screeching at each other for mid terms or even the next president.
We need to make sure everyone passes our purity test. Better trump than a moderate Democrat!
Purity tests will be the end of Democracy.
While citizens skip voting, vote third party, and prop up weak candidates the authoritarian in chief will spend his final days on a throne Robert Baratheon style. Hopefully he’s gored by a pig sooner rather than later.
I mean, as long as he doesn’t openly support genocide or rape kids, he is better then the last two candidates. The purity test bar is pretty low imo, it’s kind of really easy to pass (easier for one party though).
This kind of idiocy is why we have a literal genocide enabling rapist and (probable) pedophile in the whitehouse riding roughshod over the constitution while Congress and the Supreme Court packed full of his shitbird lackeys cheer him on from the sidelines.
“Is it the party that chose to run a platform on apathy and genocide that are to blame for losing the election? No, it is everyone else”
Sorry for expecting them to represent me and not a foreign state bro, lmao. We wouldn’t have Trump if they at least pretended to care about us. They fucked us over for daddy Israel, I’m not going to shut up about it.
I voted for Kamala btw, I felt gross about it. I’m really hoping we can encourage them to give us candidates that dont say things that make me sick to my stomach. Instead we tell the dems they aren’t to blame and it’s the voters fault. What a joke, you are part of the problem if you actively defend them and their behavior last election.
“Is it the party that chose to run a platform on apathy and genocide that are to blame for losing the election?"
Who would you have rather voted for?
Do you love him? Is he your favorite choice for 2028? It’s he really the best we could find?
Nope, but he’s popular and polls extremely well.
Checks the room… Uhhh polls extremely well just like Kamala did.
When you push forward a nonviable candidate and insist voters love them, you don’t then get to blame the same voters for not voting for them, especially when they keep telling you “we don’t want him”
And no, better them Trump is not a good enough reason to vote for him (if you get to vote at all, let’s not kid ourselves and pretend elections will happen like normal).
Okay I’ll vote for someone who polls poorly. Seems like a winning strategy.
You missed the point entirely. The polls all but guaranteed Kamala would win, but we we’re very vocally telling you we weren’t voting for her, she was a nonviable candidate. The polls mislead you and instead of acknowledging that she didn’t win because she wasn’t a popular choice, you blamed people who didn’t vote for her and she adopting the same losing strategy.
The polls are misleading, speak to real people, they don’t want Newsom. When you insist on him being the candidate because of the polls conducted by capitalist organizations, he still won’t win because the people are rejecting genocide supporting right wing candidates that spent years warning us about Trump and the best they can do is crack weak jokes at him.
Newsom is not your friend, insist on a viable candidate.
very vocally telling you we weren’t voting for her
Thanks for admitting the current situation is your fault
Zero critical thinking or reading compensation skills, only brain-rot propaganda.
Since the only reason I even became a US citizen is because the US and Israel destroyed and stole my homeland, you can thank them for me even having the privilege of not voting for them.
I’m not obligated to save your cushy lifestyle as an American when you refuse to stop funding the genocide of my people, but yes of course it’s completely my fault that you refused to listen when I told you ahead of time that I’m not voting for them. There was no way for you to have predicted that, you had CNN and MSNBC polls that guaranteed Kamala was going to win in a landslide and I ruined it.
And now that you’re making the same mistake again, you’re preemptively blaming those of us who oppose soft fascism because to you the only boogyman worth fighting is Trump. And how do you fight Trump’s fascism? By selling maga inspired memes and calling JD Vance “just dance dance”. Good work.
Your party could’ve put up a viable candidate instead of a senile old man and a cop. It’s squarely on you that you can’t win elections, not on people who won’t vote for someone as thoroughly unelectable as blue presidential candidates
I think you misunderstand statistics and polls. You shouldnt be making conclusions based on them. All you are saying is you want the most likely chance to be “right”.
They’re probably like me and just want the most likely chance to “decelerate the frantic march of fascism”.
deceleration is not enough by a country mile.
Gavin is a piece of shit. This is not a purity test, we just don’t want a piece of shit pitted against trump for the fourth election in a row. Stop dickriding a man who personally rips up homeless encampments, we can do so fucking much better and showing him support now, when there’s not even a fucking election, just proves your don’t give anything close to a flying fuck about homeless people or trans people and think platforming fascists is totally ok
I appreciate newsom I just dont trust him, hes got a weird energy. Probably wouldnt be the worst/best president though, who knows.
I’m just trying to not have military invasions of states.
Let’s see how much of a lateral move it is from a rapist felon for them.
Newsom is a neoliberal snake that is doing a “hey fellow kids” approach to Trump. Mocking Trump by imitating him is just getting him made fun of in right wing spaces. I doubt it will do much besides get some centrist billionaire apologizing Dems a micro dopamine hit on social media. I say all this, but if he is the 2028 nominee, then so be it and I will vote for him because purity tests are not helping anyone.
You guys complain that democrats don’t step up to trump, the moment one does, you tear him down. No wonder the American left is fucked, you guys are so toxic now that nobody is good enough to be an ally. There’s no such thing as a step forward anymore. You guys would rather have trump and play the victim. You’re all fucked and you deserve it
Jesus fuck we want someone who CHANGES THINGS.
People want a leftists to push things to the left, the Republicans get to pass anything they want to push us to the right, the Neoliberals aren’t doing dick.
Enjoy more trump i guess
“We will keep helping to get Trump elected until you vote for us”
Yeah idk if I can support a platform like that.
Rallying ariund Newsom will 100% result in a fascist takeover. Liberalism is dead, and the sooner Democrat voters realize that, the sooner they can actually start to comabt fascism.
So you’re pro trump. You prefer trump to newson. The fascist have already taken over.
I’m becoming increasingly convinced that the anti Newson pearl clutching around here is far right propaganda. That or you’ve become trump’s useful idiot. And if you really are anti trump, what are you waiting for, socialist left Jesus?
Centrist liberal parties are getting clobbered across the entire world right now while fascists gain power. It’s happened in the US, it’s happened in The Netherlands and Italy, it’s about to happen in Germany, and the UK have set themselves on the path. They have all ben trying to do the same thing for the past 30 years and it is clearly not working at the polls. Bernie Sanders would uave beaten Trump, but the DNC sabotaged him because he was a fundamental threat to their entire operation.
As a leftist I’m getting so sick of listening to leftists tear down any opposition to trump because it’s not some mythical unicorn candidate. It’s crabs in a bucket. It really is.
Trump has taken society back 10 steps, i think the left wants a candidate that will jump them forward 11. But that’s not gonna happen, any step away from trump is a good step right now, even if it’s just half a step forward
This isn’t a purity test, newsome is just a massive piece of shit and he shouldn’t be getting all the praise he’s getting just for owning drumpf epic style. We’re not toxic bc we don’t want a president who rips up homeless camps, you’re toxic bc you’re already insisting that we fall in like and show him our unconditional support. You will lose the election if he’s your candidate, and you will deserve it
He isn’t going to address anything that actually draws people to Trump. America needs radical change, which Newsom is not advocating for. Newsome is popular with rich donors to the DNC. He is NOT popular with people across the country. He’s going to run the same campaign Clinton, Biden, and Harris all ran, will get absolutely pummeled, and then all of you will go right back to blaming leftists.
I am glad he is doing the actual sort of thing democrats should have been doing for the couple decades and realizing the political moment and utilizing political power to try and redistrict. But I’m not going to fawn over a different flavor of fascist because of his twitter clap backs and merch store.
Definitely don’t turn him into a personality or figure to love, politics needs to stop being that way. But he’s a step away from trump so take what you can get right now.
Im Canadian so we held our nose and voted for a guy we didn’t want but it was that or the fascist. We can at least hold the neoliberal’s feet to the fire, but the fascist doesn’t give a fuck
I don’t necessarily disagree with your final point. As an American, I’m of the opinion that we are currently getting exactly what we asked for, damning as that fact might be about the American people. Regardless, though, the reason we complain about people like Newsom is because he is cut from the very same neoliberal (read: conservative anywhere other than the US) cloth that ratcheted us to this position in the first place. There’s a nonzero risk that with him as the rising star, he could be yet another uninspiring Democratic candidate who fails to galvanize the American people into actually showing up for once in our fucking lives, and I worry that even if we somehow pull ourselves out of this spiral, we may end up back here again in a decade or two
Make no mistake, I understand necessity perfectly well, and, presidentially, I would happily cling to Newsom like a drowning man at the moment if I had the chance, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be criticized as a figurehead of the left, because he’s not really representative of the left, nor is he necessarily even on the left in the first place. Still, there’s really no time to purity test right now, and purity testing something like this is, to me, absurd. I’d happily take a “turncoat” Republican (so long as it’s one of the less morally bankrupt of the lot, at least) as an ally in this fight, so why the hell not Newsom?
I get this. I have a senator who is fine enough but she is a war vet and always votes for security over liberty. IE patriot act and its extensions and such. I still vote for her in the general but am more than ready to vote against her in a primary. Unfortunately she often runs unopposed likely due to her popularity seeming to be unassailable.
I agree 100%
Bingo!
Just as bad in the UK. Corbyn can’t get elected, Starmer can. Everyone hates Starmer because he isn’t Corbyn. Not appreciating the fact he isn’t Johnson/May/Lettuce.
Corbyn has no problem getting elected. His problem was that Labour refused to support him as party leader and threww him under the bus
Quite possibly oversimplifying things. I think a major factor was the media being against him and having no firm Brexit policy. Either way, like with Blair, you need the media on your side.
Lol
That’ll teach the fascists! - Libs everywhere
all those libs called out in the comment section.
Ridiculing them is an effective tool yes, just not the only thing that needs to happen
“Let’s not fight back and just let the fascists do whatever they want” -useful idiots everywhere
“I changed my facebook profile picture” level fighting back except you pay for it
It’s better to do nothing at all! - far left socialists everywhere.
And yet somehow are the same people that shout “Get organised” the loudest
that’ll show him!
If you buy this shit you’re a fucking tool
You don’t get it
Don’t get what?
