such a funny time for this discourse again ☕
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“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
Actual leftists have always been pro gun though…
Yes, Karl Marx wrote:
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
“To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party [bourgeois], the workers must be armed and organized.”
Followed shortly after by:
The former Soviet Union established gun control in 1929 and as a result, Stalin’s government killed 40 million Soviets. This is a clear example of how gun control can be used to oppress a population and take away their right to self-defense.
And then they call everyone else revisionist
You think Stalin wouldn’t have killed all these people if they had guns?
What?
Like…
I legitimately don’t know what you’re trying to say or why it’s relevant.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
law enforcers tend to be cowards. an armed community is harder to oppress
I don’t think being anti-gun makes one not an actual leftist.
Sure, Marx wrote that stuff in Resplendent606’s comment, but:
- I think it’s worth bearing in mind that when Marx wrote that, guns were still using powder and percussion caps.
- Not everything Marx said was gospel.
Anyone not in favour of recreational nukes is in agreement that there should be a limit on the amount of lethal force a person should be allowed to own, and I think reasonable people can disagree on whether or not guns are within that limit.
I think it’s worth bearing in mind that when Marx wrote that, guns were still using powder and percussion caps.
The Gatling Gun predates came out a 5 years before Das Kapital. Sure arms hadn’t had the revolution they’d get during WW1 yet, but they were plenty capable.
The quotes from Marx about guns were from 1850, before even the widespread adoption of the metallic cartridge.
Marx made regular writings and letters to contemporary movements up until his death. At no point did he back down on violent, sudden revolution as the path to achieving Socialism. Marx was many things, but he wasn’t anti-gun.
Leftists have always been pro gun. There’s just not that many leftists. It’s the Democrats and neoliberals who think only Trump and his government should have guns.
EU gun restrictions don’t come from the left?
Not sorry to burst your bubble: Democrats are left by basic definitions of left & political classifications, historical record, and usual knowledge of political scientists & analysts.
If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Sick of the constant, “Where my 2A people at?!” around here. I am right fucking here, but I’m not in much of a position to mount a personal assault on Washington DC. All I can reasonably do is defend my immigrant wife and our home if it comes to that.
FFS, some of these people even question self-defense. “They’ll just kill you, moron!” Yeah, well that was on the table anyway.
And if any gun-grabbers think the cops and ICE and politicians are fascist enough as-is, imagine how they would be acting if they could kick down doors with full impunity and zero fear. Yeah, the local cops could get a squad of 20 and take this house apart. But somebody’s getting hurt. I guarantee it.
Here’s an interesting thought, let’s see how this plays out. Florida is red enough ATM, governor and state Congress. Why haven’t they passed open-carry legislation? Why isn’t it even under discussion? Think they’ll make it happen?
I’ll give you three guesses, but you’re only going to need one. Fuck no they will not legislate open carry because men like me will be at every protest with an AR-15 on my shoulder and a Colt .45 in my belt.
America is well past the point where any of this is going to end without gunfire. So yeah. Leftists, it’s time to admit that MAGA doesn’t give a shit about your “protests” or your “letters to your representative”. Protests only work if the person you’re protesting gives a shit what you think.
It’s time to get your guns. Mussolini didn’t end up hanging upside down in an Italian town square because of protests.
WRONG.
It’s past time to get your guns. We (I vote Democrat and live in a blue state) have banned most guns.
Great fucking job.
Oh and btw most (as in >50%) gun deaths in the USA are from suicide where how the gun functions or how many bullets it holds at one time are irrelevant. Pity that no political party in America gives a shit about all those miserable souls who want to die. Easier to ban guns and disarm ourselves in the face of fascists who’ve taken over our nation.
Like I said… great fucking job. Quick, someone bitch about Palestine, that’ll surely help.
