Trump’s goal was always to smash small businesses and prop up large corporations. Just because someone has the same racism and xenophobia as you, does not mean they are your ally. Maybe someday these idiots will stop letting themselves be manipulated by culture war issues, and realize the economic and legal policy is what’s important. It’s harder to understand, but it’s what actually affects your life.
The problem is that the economic and legal policy is dogshit on both sides of the aisle. Less dogshit on one side, but it’s not like the Democrats were ever trying to solve people’s problems in the last 50 years.
But when they did hold power, they spent that time giving handouts to their rich friends, and screwing over the working class.
Yes, this instance is totally Trump’s fault, but they aren’t wrong in saying that the Democrats have been pretty openly not trying to solve people’s problems.
This isn’t a specific bill, but the US government has been an oligarchy for quite some time now. This is why leftists keep complaining about corporate campaign contributions and FPTP while most elected Democrats are mysteriously fine with them.
Link 1 explicitly lays out why it’s not a handout to the rich.
Link 2 is about legislation in 2008. Who do you think was president in 2008? Because it was Bush. The same guy who caused the 2008 recession.
Link 3 is about how Congress undid covid relief when Republicans took back control in 2023.
Link 4 seems to basically just be an ad with no substance, mostly talking about how Bush fucked shit up and Obama didn’t do enough to unfuck Bush’s fuck ups?
Your politico link points out what I said; Biden wanted to do x for the people; Republicans in Congress stopped him.
Your Atlantic link is paywalled. But I think I’ve read enough to justify disregarding anything else you have to say since it doesn’t seem like you’re reading your own shit, thereby not respecting my time in any meaningful way.
Democrats are absolutely worth criticizing, and it’s not just our right, but our duty to do so. But let’s not pretend that they are the party of fucking over the working class to help their rich friends. That is squarely on the Republican party. All they have done in my lifetime is block help for the working class, roll back help for the working class (which were passed by Democrats), and pass tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. Oh yeah, and dissolve our rights and speedrun into fascism. How could I forget that one. So if you want to talk about a party fucking the people over, let’s talk about them.
People are fed up and looking for answers. Republicans give the wrong answers, while Democrats gaslight about how much progress is being made. When people don’t buy the rather obvious gaslighting, they turn to the only answers being offered.
Yes. Democratic gaslighting is “complete and total fucking lies” too. I was differentiating. Republicans lies offer a narrative and enemies to fight. Democratic lies try to tell people watching the American dream die that it’s all just “progress”. Of the two, Republican lies are way more viral, in more than one way.
Name a time when the right wing Democratic party have had a clear shot at improving things. You know since they’ve had to clean up the absolute DISASTERS that every Republican lying cheating stealing thief of a “president” has forced upon us. Every single time that they seize power, they destroy the economy and our rights. Every single fucking time.
I don’t look to them for salvation but holy fuck at least you can count on somewhat of a sense of stability when the actual (still shitty) human beings are in charge.
Having a chance to improve things is a Democratic nightmare scenario, and they do everything in their power to make sure they never get that opportunity. But how about today? Today they could endorse the Democratic nominee for mayor of NYC. That has a good chance of improving some things. Or how about Bill Clinton not choosing to dismantle the federal safety net, or Obama choosing to prosecute Wall Street criminals instead of reward them? How about not kneecapping Medicare For All at every opportunity? How about not trying to be Republican lite on immigration or trans rights? How about articulating any kind of vision to compete with Republican hate mongering in the public psyche?
It’s not all about passing legislation. Passing legislation is what happens after you have done all the real work that the Democratic establishment refuses to do.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. I’m simply stating that things are ALWAYS exponentially worse when the demon spawn fascists seize power.
I wasn’t ever thinking about converting my USD to Renminbi when Biden was in office. Didn’t expect the entire country and economy to collapse at any moment.
So yea, things aren’t nearly perfect under democratic leadership. But significantly and undeniably better in every single metric.
Yeah, Republicans are worse. Got it. However that doesn’t relate at all to your comment that I replied to, or to my reply. In fact, the comment I replied to has nothing to do with my previous comment either.
As bad as Republicans are, never doubt that it’s Democrats who handed them power - over the culture and over the government. Even now, they have learned nothing.
Trump’s goal was always to smash small businesses and prop up large corporations. Just because someone has the same racism and xenophobia as you, does not mean they are your ally. Maybe someday these idiots will stop letting themselves be manipulated by culture war issues, and realize the economic and legal policy is what’s important. It’s harder to understand, but it’s what actually affects your life.
The problem is that the economic and legal policy is dogshit on both sides of the aisle. Less dogshit on one side, but it’s not like the Democrats were ever trying to solve people’s problems in the last 50 years.
ROFL, this is 100% Trump and Republican owned. Dems don’t currently hold a single branch
But when they did hold power, they spent that time giving handouts to their rich friends, and screwing over the working class.
Yes, this instance is totally Trump’s fault, but they aren’t wrong in saying that the Democrats have been pretty openly not trying to solve people’s problems.
Which specific bill are you talking about that served their rich friends, and screwed over the working class? Because this is fucking news to me.
This isn’t a specific bill, but the US government has been an oligarchy for quite some time now. This is why leftists keep complaining about corporate campaign contributions and FPTP while most elected Democrats are mysteriously fine with them.
FWIW, I meant that as two separate things, although there is some crossover.
Giving handouts to their rich friends:
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/biden-administrations-message-dont-call-bailout-rcna74628
Edit: Wrong link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
Correct link: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2009/12/13/obamas-big-sellout-president-has-packed-his-economic-team-wall-street-insiders
Screwing over the working class:
Edit: Wrong link https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/politics/covid-19-relief-programs-ending/
Correct link: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/23/biden-social-safety-net-2024-00128488
Edit: Wrong link https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/neil-barofsky-on-foaming-the-l
Correct link: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/obamas-failure-to-mitigate-americas-foreclosure-crisis/510485/
And that’s just stuff off the top of my head. I’m not mentioning the wars, the cushy government contracts, etc.
Link 1 explicitly lays out why it’s not a handout to the rich.
Link 2 is about legislation in 2008. Who do you think was president in 2008? Because it was Bush. The same guy who caused the 2008 recession.
Link 3 is about how Congress undid covid relief when Republicans took back control in 2023.
Link 4 seems to basically just be an ad with no substance, mostly talking about how Bush fucked shit up and Obama didn’t do enough to unfuck Bush’s fuck ups?
Oh, well, just because they said it isn’t a bailout must mean that it isn’t a bailout. There’s no way politicians would lie.
For links 2-4, I posted the wrong ones. I’ve added corrections, my apologies
Your defense of the first link is a lazy copout. Don’t cite a source and then say “don’t believe my source” lmao.
The bailout money has been paid back, plus interest. It is largely considered a plan that worked. Your complaints are a great example of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Your politico link points out what I said; Biden wanted to do x for the people; Republicans in Congress stopped him.
Your Atlantic link is paywalled. But I think I’ve read enough to justify disregarding anything else you have to say since it doesn’t seem like you’re reading your own shit, thereby not respecting my time in any meaningful way.
Democrats are absolutely worth criticizing, and it’s not just our right, but our duty to do so. But let’s not pretend that they are the party of fucking over the working class to help their rich friends. That is squarely on the Republican party. All they have done in my lifetime is block help for the working class, roll back help for the working class (which were passed by Democrats), and pass tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. Oh yeah, and dissolve our rights and speedrun into fascism. How could I forget that one. So if you want to talk about a party fucking the people over, let’s talk about them.
Wall Street handouts in the wake of the 2008 crisis.
Yes, I’m explaining why they don’t hold a single branch.
People are fed up and looking for answers. Republicans give the wrong answers, while Democrats gaslight about how much progress is being made. When people don’t buy the rather obvious gaslighting, they turn to the only answers being offered.
“wrong answers”
That’s a funny way to spell complete and total fucking lies.
Yes. Democratic gaslighting is “complete and total fucking lies” too. I was differentiating. Republicans lies offer a narrative and enemies to fight. Democratic lies try to tell people watching the American dream die that it’s all just “progress”. Of the two, Republican lies are way more viral, in more than one way.
Name a time when the right wing Democratic party have had a clear shot at improving things. You know since they’ve had to clean up the absolute DISASTERS that every Republican lying cheating stealing thief of a “president” has forced upon us. Every single time that they seize power, they destroy the economy and our rights. Every single fucking time.
I don’t look to them for salvation but holy fuck at least you can count on somewhat of a sense of stability when the actual (still shitty) human beings are in charge.
Having a chance to improve things is a Democratic nightmare scenario, and they do everything in their power to make sure they never get that opportunity. But how about today? Today they could endorse the Democratic nominee for mayor of NYC. That has a good chance of improving some things. Or how about Bill Clinton not choosing to dismantle the federal safety net, or Obama choosing to prosecute Wall Street criminals instead of reward them? How about not kneecapping Medicare For All at every opportunity? How about not trying to be Republican lite on immigration or trans rights? How about articulating any kind of vision to compete with Republican hate mongering in the public psyche?
It’s not all about passing legislation. Passing legislation is what happens after you have done all the real work that the Democratic establishment refuses to do.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. I’m simply stating that things are ALWAYS exponentially worse when the demon spawn fascists seize power.
I wasn’t ever thinking about converting my USD to Renminbi when Biden was in office. Didn’t expect the entire country and economy to collapse at any moment.
So yea, things aren’t nearly perfect under democratic leadership. But significantly and undeniably better in every single metric.
Yeah, Republicans are worse. Got it. However that doesn’t relate at all to your comment that I replied to, or to my reply. In fact, the comment I replied to has nothing to do with my previous comment either.
As bad as Republicans are, never doubt that it’s Democrats who handed them power - over the culture and over the government. Even now, they have learned nothing.
Under Obama and Biden, they had the power to improve things. Instead they chose to give handouts to their rich friends, and screwed over the voters.
Oh, you mean like what the Democrats keep doing?