None. There is zero definitive evidence of which side of the aisle he is on. The right wants him to be left and the left wants him to be right. Some on the right want justice, some want vengeance. Most on the left are celebrating either way, some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.
Then you have the people in the center of the aisle that just want to be left alone and don’t care. Both the left and right hates these people.
some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.
I just need to call this part out because it keeps getting repeated. I don’t think hardly anybody thinks he deserved to die for his views. His actions, on the other hand, really get people’s attention.
Yeah, no one should die for their views, but also, I aint gonna more some fuckong fascist jackass or even cry over it in anyway. I am, frankly, mostly indifferent to it. Its not going to make anything better ultimagely, somenother talking idiot hole will fill the gap in the hate machine.
You got downvoted because everyone on the left thinks ‘I’m centrist’ is just something ppl say to disguise themselves whilst they say a bunch a right-wing shit; everyone on the right thinks the war has already begun, you gotta nail your flag to the mast, and why hide how you really feel; and everyone who’s actually in the centre gave up discussing politics on social media years ago because it’s detrimental to your mental health.
I got downvoted because I’m a big bag of contradictions. I’m neither “this” or “that” I hold beliefs and views from all sides. So it’s easier for folks to just downvote and belittle than try to understand.
Oh really? Well you’ve made me think about the issues I split out into sides:
climate change: it’s bad / fuck it
trans ppl: they cool / they’re a perversion of gods design
God: idk whatever / The Christian God
guns: dangerous! Restrict! / I need guns
immigration: ok / not ok
women: human / subhuman
state funded healthcare: yes plz / no tnx
public transport: love it / hate it
bikes: I am literally a bike / I literally just killed a bike
These aren’t all aligned. Probably not all of them are a left/right divide to you. They’re probably not even all 100% applicable to your lived reality - not everybody has spent much time thinking about God - but I am curious where you think you’re left and where you think you’re right, or what I’m missing from my incredibly glib yet serious list.
climate change: it’s bad / fuck it
trans ppl: they cool / they’re a perversion of gods design
God: idk whatever / The Christian God
guns: dangerous! Restrict! / I need guns
immigration: ok / not ok
women: human with all human rights especially reproductive rights / subhuman
state funded healthcare: yes plz / no tnx
public transport: love it / hate it
bikes: I am literally a bike / I literally just killed a bike
Ok first I wanna commend you for actually trying to understand. Even if pretending. It means a lot. To answer your list.
Climate change- no opinion. It changes daily. Or I’m just too dumb to understand it.
Trans ppl- I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?
God- I am a Christian. More specifically a Southern Baptist Christian. Like I said previously though, I like to think not like some of the crazed lunatic Christians out there. From an early age I was taught to love all walks of life. My church has a saying. Be it cliche or whatever. But the saying is this— “Hate the sin. Love the sinner.”
Guns- Absolutely dangerous. I’m Pro-2A. There’s some unhinged ppl out there that just shouldn’t own firearms. Mental health evaluation and gun safety courses should be mandatory before being able to purchasing any firearm.
Immigration- 1000% ok. But only when done through the proper and legal channels. My family immigrated to the US many years ago from Ireland so I cannot get on board with illegal immigration.
Women- Human, obviously. None of us would be here without them.
State funded healthcare- not educated enough on this matter to have an opinion.
Public transport- could work in larger cities/metro areas. But what about rural areas? How well would that work? Genuinely asking.
Bikes(?)- motor or pedal? I don’t understand this one.
Climate change- no opinion. It changes daily. Or I’m just too dumb to understand it.
Then listen to the experts, who all agree it’s 1) man made, and 2) going to make life difficult for us.
And no it doesn’t change daily. That’s the weather, the weather changes daily, but the weather isn’t the climate. Climate change affects the weather, causing more extreme weather events, but it’s not the same.
Trans ppl- I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?
You don’t agree with what? With who they are? How is that a thing to disagree on? Did you choose to be cis? Neither do they choose to be trans.
Listen to the experts.
God- I am a Christian. More specifically a Southern Baptist Christian. Like I said previously though, I like to think not like some of the crazed lunatic Christians out there. From an early age I was taught to love all walks of life. My church has a saying. Be it cliche or whatever. But the saying is this— “Hate the sin. Love the sinner.”
As long as you or your church aren’t advocating that we all have to follow your church’s doctrine, I have no issues with this.
Guns- Absolutely dangerous. I’m Pro-2A. There’s some unhinged ppl out there that just shouldn’t own firearms. Mental health evaluation and gun safety courses should be mandatory before being able to purchasing any firearm.
On this we agree.
Immigration- 1000% ok. But only when done through the proper and legal channels. My family immigrated to the US many years ago from Ireland so I cannot get on board with illegal immigration.
And how do you think the “proper and legal channels” should look like. Especially for people fleeing their homeland because of events happening there.
Women- Human, obviously. None of us would be here without them.
Sure, but do they have bodily autonomy? Can they choose to have an abortion? (see my point under the “god” section)
State funded healthcare- not educated enough on this matter to have an opinion.
Fair enough
Public transport- could work in larger cities/metro areas. But what about rural areas? How well would that work? Genuinely asking.
Buses and trains work long distance too. Would you like the option for people to go to the city from your rural town, even if they don’t own a car or if their car has broken down? A bus service could do that. Even if it only runs once per 2 hours or so.
Bikes(?)- motor or pedal? I don’t understand this one.
I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?
I’ve met Christians who never once denied my identity or acted like accepting me was fundamentally against their faith. I could argue that trans identities are a natural and evolved phenomenon, but you don’t seem scientifically inclined. Would anything ever change your mind to recognize us as who we say we are?
Climate change - yes, too dumb to understand. Actually, I think you are being willfully ignorant. “It changes daily”? Wtf?
Trans ppl - “I am a Christ so naturally I didn’t agree” wtf? Didn’t agree with what?
That’s as far as I could get. I think you are unwilling to challenge what you were raised to believe was right, and you operate out of an unconscious assumption that it couldn’t simply be unfounded.
He didn’t carve heil Hitler though. He carved anti fascist messages that have been co-opted by the far right to make fun of the left. The messages can be interpreted either way.
Dunno about his socials (because really I couldn’t care less who killed that piece of shit), but pretending the bullet engravings were anywhere near as clear as “heil hitler” would be can’t be serious. It’s more like if he had some random version of pepe engraved on them. Hints that he could be a groyper but by no means conclusive.
Nope. You could use what info there is to make an argument either way. But people just want to be right to the extent that they go with whatever they want to be true I guess.
Is there anything that is actually conclusive about what his views were? Like his social media accounts, his discord history?
None. There is zero definitive evidence of which side of the aisle he is on. The right wants him to be left and the left wants him to be right. Some on the right want justice, some want vengeance. Most on the left are celebrating either way, some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.
Then you have the people in the center of the aisle that just want to be left alone and don’t care. Both the left and right hates these people.
I just need to call this part out because it keeps getting repeated. I don’t think hardly anybody thinks he deserved to die for his views. His actions, on the other hand, really get people’s attention.
Yeah, no one should die for their views, but also, I aint gonna more some fuckong fascist jackass or even cry over it in anyway. I am, frankly, mostly indifferent to it. Its not going to make anything better ultimagely, somenother talking idiot hole will fill the gap in the hate machine.
That’s a fair assessment.
And a fair chance he isn’t on any side in particular. The team sports model of politics isn’t everything…
Completely agree. I’m a center aisle guy myself. Hell, I don’t even wanna be center. I don’t even wanna be in the same room 😂
You got downvoted because everyone on the left thinks ‘I’m centrist’ is just something ppl say to disguise themselves whilst they say a bunch a right-wing shit; everyone on the right thinks the war has already begun, you gotta nail your flag to the mast, and why hide how you really feel; and everyone who’s actually in the centre gave up discussing politics on social media years ago because it’s detrimental to your mental health.
I got downvoted because I’m a big bag of contradictions. I’m neither “this” or “that” I hold beliefs and views from all sides. So it’s easier for folks to just downvote and belittle than try to understand.
Oh really? Well you’ve made me think about the issues I split out into sides:
These aren’t all aligned. Probably not all of them are a left/right divide to you. They’re probably not even all 100% applicable to your lived reality - not everybody has spent much time thinking about God - but I am curious where you think you’re left and where you think you’re right, or what I’m missing from my incredibly glib yet serious list.
ding ding (ringing my bike bell)
Ok first I wanna commend you for actually trying to understand. Even if pretending. It means a lot. To answer your list.
Climate change- no opinion. It changes daily. Or I’m just too dumb to understand it.
Trans ppl- I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?
God- I am a Christian. More specifically a Southern Baptist Christian. Like I said previously though, I like to think not like some of the crazed lunatic Christians out there. From an early age I was taught to love all walks of life. My church has a saying. Be it cliche or whatever. But the saying is this— “Hate the sin. Love the sinner.”
Guns- Absolutely dangerous. I’m Pro-2A. There’s some unhinged ppl out there that just shouldn’t own firearms. Mental health evaluation and gun safety courses should be mandatory before being able to purchasing any firearm.
Immigration- 1000% ok. But only when done through the proper and legal channels. My family immigrated to the US many years ago from Ireland so I cannot get on board with illegal immigration.
Women- Human, obviously. None of us would be here without them.
State funded healthcare- not educated enough on this matter to have an opinion.
Public transport- could work in larger cities/metro areas. But what about rural areas? How well would that work? Genuinely asking.
Bikes(?)- motor or pedal? I don’t understand this one.
Then listen to the experts, who all agree it’s 1) man made, and 2) going to make life difficult for us. And no it doesn’t change daily. That’s the weather, the weather changes daily, but the weather isn’t the climate. Climate change affects the weather, causing more extreme weather events, but it’s not the same.
You don’t agree with what? With who they are? How is that a thing to disagree on? Did you choose to be cis? Neither do they choose to be trans.
Listen to the experts.
As long as you or your church aren’t advocating that we all have to follow your church’s doctrine, I have no issues with this.
On this we agree.
And how do you think the “proper and legal channels” should look like. Especially for people fleeing their homeland because of events happening there.
Sure, but do they have bodily autonomy? Can they choose to have an abortion? (see my point under the “god” section)
Fair enough
Buses and trains work long distance too. Would you like the option for people to go to the city from your rural town, even if they don’t own a car or if their car has broken down? A bus service could do that. Even if it only runs once per 2 hours or so.
I think they’re talking about bike lanes.
I’ve met Christians who never once denied my identity or acted like accepting me was fundamentally against their faith. I could argue that trans identities are a natural and evolved phenomenon, but you don’t seem scientifically inclined. Would anything ever change your mind to recognize us as who we say we are?
Not sure why I’m engaging, but what the hell…
Climate change - yes, too dumb to understand. Actually, I think you are being willfully ignorant. “It changes daily”? Wtf?
Trans ppl - “I am a Christ so naturally I didn’t agree” wtf? Didn’t agree with what?
That’s as far as I could get. I think you are unwilling to challenge what you were raised to believe was right, and you operate out of an unconscious assumption that it couldn’t simply be unfounded.
Aisle is the word you are looking for.
Imagine someone engraving bullets with “Heil Hitler” and doing salutes on his socials.
Is it conclusive proof he’s a nazi? I guess not, but it’s a pretty big fucking hint.
He didn’t carve heil Hitler though. He carved anti fascist messages that have been co-opted by the far right to make fun of the left. The messages can be interpreted either way.
I guess taking photos where you recreate pepe the frog memes is all just a funny coincidence.
Dunno about his socials (because really I couldn’t care less who killed that piece of shit), but pretending the bullet engravings were anywhere near as clear as “heil hitler” would be can’t be serious. It’s more like if he had some random version of pepe engraved on them. Hints that he could be a groyper but by no means conclusive.
His mother posted photos where he recreates groyper memes
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Nope. You could use what info there is to make an argument either way. But people just want to be right to the extent that they go with whatever they want to be true I guess.