Had a heated argument with a tankie who glorified stalin and lenin. So fucking tired. The worst thing he’s a discord mod of a good streamer, and i left the server because i can’t be there anymore. Context: i’m russian whose grand-grandparents were repressed and forcibly relocated. Left Russia several years ago because i didn’t want to support the aggressive war in Ukraine. And his american (no offense to amreicans tho) ass tried to explain me that stalin is an actual hero who singlehandedly saved Europe from fascism, and all repressed were rich “bourgeois land owners” (actually, no. but even if yes, that’s a terrorism). Then he and other user started posting stupid tankie memes. Ofc they ignored my questions how LGBT+, religious groups and small nations were treated and deleted the message. I’m sick of that shit. Needed to vent somewhere.
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I can’t for the life of me understand why someone would advocate for an authoritarian government. Is it really just a really deep belief that “some animals are more equal than others” and that exploiting or oppressing those “lesser” is good?
I’m not generally a fan of memes that imply an equivalence between the auth-left and auth-right, because they tend to be used by “enlightened centrists” to push horseshoe theory and over-simplify an already over-simplified political compass.
…but the “but I wish it had been” got me pretty good. They really do be like that.
Also, it’s “so forth”, not “so fourth”.
I made this two months ago, on horeshoe theory:
Communism itself obviously isn’t nazism, if someone says that your comment may apply. But tankies are as close as it gets.
The thing is that communism on it’s own doesn’t mean much or can mean many things. Kropotkin’s anarcho communism? Hell, I’m in. But nowadays, the term communism is pretty much only used by tankies and I’m fine with letting them keep the term. I don’t need it that much.
Left Russia several years ago because i didn’t want to support the aggressive war in Ukraine.
How is it going after relocating?
It’s good, thanks. I moved to Finland, very nice country. My wife, pets and some of my friends moved with me, and I found new friends in the company I work
The very idea that 21st century Russia is “anti-imperialist”, as they are actively engaged in a war to take over land that belongs to another country, is laughable.
And China? Have we forgotten what happened to Hong Kong less than a decade ago already? Are we not aware of the current circumstances in Xinjiang and Tibet? Of the threats towards Taiwan, including aggressive incursions in their airspace?
You don’t understand it’s only imperialism if it comes from the imperial region of the evil American empire.
Otherwise it’s just a sparkling annexation.
Can you define imperialism?
Yes it’s when one country loves another but the other country doesn’t want anything to do with it so they use diplomacy or sometimes place their military into the other country and commit war crimes to try to make the country love them back.
Imperialism is when America. Duh.
Otherwise it’s sparkling Read More Theory.
Remember our rule about no tankie apologia before you comment!
I’m not a tankie nor tankie apologist. Could you explain what was about it (my comment)*?
I may be missing some vernacular or something, but last I checked, the ‘both sides’ argument is used by fascists as a centrist mask.
Same with unity being an important concept in fighting fascism.
So, what am I missing? I’m asking seriously here.
There are authoritarians on both the left and right. They share an uncomfortable amount of traits with one another.
No I know, but my comment was explicitly criticizing (the parent comment, in favor of)* the two arguments I highlighted above. It was deleted without explanation.
If only they would fight against each other
The “left-right” spectrum is too vague to be of any real use.
“leftist unity” is just “trickle down economics” for Marxists.
That’s why a political compass looks like this
One problem is that it doesn’t really show authoritarian tendency since left authoritarians will end in the left lib corner because there goal is a liberated society and they don’t get that they don’t get there by authoritative means. It’s all just for now, trust me bro
I dislike the political compass because it lends too much to right-wing libertarianism. Right-wing libertarianism moves the boot from the state to corporations.
political compass is honestly worse than a vague idea of left and right to me.
forcing a human beings complex and ever-changing moral and political thought into a literal box, i feel, has done irreparable damage to today’s modern understanding of ideology. at least everyone understands the nuance between what “left” and “right” can be due to it being so muddy.
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