Imagine going to Texas
I have to see my son on his birthday and try to convince him to leave. His boyfriend is Trans.
On purpose, too. It does boggle the mind.
My father is a drumpf loving dumbass too. At one point he threatened me over the phone, saying that there was a “war coming,” and I should “pick the right side.”
I think what happened is the dad brought her into the bedroom to threaten her with the gun, pointing it right at her, and then “accidentally” fired. But how much of an accident can you call it, when you point a loaded hand-gun at someone, with the safety OFF, and your finger ON the trigger?
In the fathers eyes, it was an accident. But we all know that’s bullshit.
I carried a small baby and a ladder with me to the alligator pit at the zoo. I set the ladder up next to the pit, I climbed to the top of the ladder and held the baby out over the alligator pit. But oh no officer! The baby just, whoops! slipped through my hands! Purely accidental! I definitely didn’t want to feed my baby to the alligators!
He murdered his daughter because he valued a rapists lies over his daughters life. He’s a piece of shit, and I hope his every waking moment is haunted.
I think what happened is the dad brought her into the bedroom to threaten her with the gun, pointing it right at her, and then “accidentally” fired. But how much of an accident can you call it, when you point a loaded hand-gun at someone, with the safety OFF, and your finger ON the trigger?
Probably one those who won’t shut up about being a responsible gun owner
We ARE at war. Anyone still harboring hope for a true-believer Trumper is like the person in the zombie movie fighting the other survivors screaming, “There’s still a human being in there!”
He created a scenario where an accident was very very likely because some part of him is willing to take great risks with other people’s lives just to defend his own ego.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk917xy8no
no criminal case was brought against Kris Harrison after a grand jury in Collin County declined to indict him.
WTF
I’m sure by the end of the week the MAGA cult will reveal that she was actually a “thug” who kicked in ICE’s tail lights or listened to Latin music or something else they find a murder-worthy offense.
Minimum common sense response to this should be a push to require safeties on all new firearms sold in the US and mandatory gun safety classes for ownership. I’m not sold on this being an accident but even if it was both of those measures would go a long way to preventing deaths by firearm and not be an unreasonable burden on gun owners.
Not all safeties are created equal. Some are push button style or switches that need to be toggled, possibly could have helped in this case if it was accidental. Others, like one of mine, simply need the gun held properly to be able to fire, most likely that would not have helped this situation. Safeties are predominantly meant to prevent misfires by dropping it, or mishandling the weapon.
However, one of the core gun safety rules is to never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy. Safety or not.
All of them are like this. It’s just sad there’s too much law-cope.
It’s weird that we’ve abandoned linking to the article (which describes the killing as the result of him clumsily showing off his new glock to his daughter shortly after dinner) and defaulted to a link to an article to a screenshot of a tweet by some random internet influencers looking to stir the pot.
What is a tragedy resulting from people treating guns as toys has been rewritten as some kind of premeditated culture-war driven murder.
“I know we just had a fight and you went to another room to be alone, but check out my cool new gun that is loaded with the safety off and pointed in your direction!”
JFC.
my cool new gun that is loaded with the safety off
Glocks don’t have manual safeties.
Oh well then, in that case nothing problematic happened at all!
Really? I would have assumed a safety would be required by law on all firearms post-, say, 1960 but I guess I’m not really that surprised.
As I understand it, a Glock’s safety is on the trigger so it’s always on unless you have your finger on the trigger.
As soon as I read “glock”, I could have told you what happened.
Lots of these redneck yahoos get their weapons modified for a lighter trigger pull. And without a manual safety, that means misfiring a glock becomes incredibly easy. Absolutely possible he was trying to do a finger spin with his new lethal toy and killed his daughter.
First post: “this doesn’t have a source to the real story.” (Does not provide a source)
This post: completely fabricated story to try to excuse what “may” have happened.
I dont know why you are bothering to find a way to make his obvious lie sound plausible. He just murdered her. Pointed the gun and pulled the trigger.
All a safety really does is prevent you from pulling the trigger. Someone who needs that shouldn’t be handling guns in the first place.
The killer said it was an accident and there are no living witnesses.
It is never an accident when you pick up a gun in a political argument.
It is never an accident when you pick up a gun in a
political argument.If you pick up a gun and don’t clear it. You are negligent.
If you point a gun at someone. You are negligent.
If you are not taking any safety precautions when handling a firearm. You are negligent.100% this here. If you’re negligent with a firearm you’re responsible.
Not in Texas apparently.
Reminds me of back in the 1950’s and before when getting black out drunk and running over someone was an “accident”.
Back when drunk driving was just boys will be boys.
Glad those times are gone
I phrased is like this as I know that in some situations it might be needed to pick up a gun to defend yourself from harm.
However, no political argument should ever devolve into the need for guns.
Yeah but it’s not an accident
Suddenly the right will be very pro second amendment watch.
Oh of course, it’s one of their guys with the gun this time.
You’re right.
Luckily there’s no article supplied so you can’t see that the argument and the gunshot are non-contemporaneous.
I find it baffling when I go through a chain of comments with people complaining that the source is missing which provides context, but they don’t link the source.
“Don’t trust what people say happened if they don’t have a source. You can trust what I say happened without a source.”
Sorry I saw there was a link added but I didn’t see that it’s not the same one I originally read. The posted one has a lot more writer bias in it but also seems to have a firmer timeline of events.
I know for sure the best time to clean my pistol is during a heated argument.
The grand jury refused to indict based on the evidence presented in the case.
The victim’s entire family was in the house at the time of the killing. There were numerous witnesses.
I don’t understand the logic here. If you’re in your basement, and someone gets stabbed in your kitchen, you somehow know the stabber’s intent?
Is this a normal psychic power? I don’t think I have it.
There were no witnesses. Unless you count the killer.
Kid and dad fight in the morning. Kid plans to leave the next day to end trip. They are no longer actively fighting. Dad asks kid if they want to see a gun, kid says sure. They disappear and you hear a single gunshot then dad yells for help.
This sounds just the same if it’s an accident or if it’s done with intent and you CANT know the intent. You can speculate based on character and history, That is insufficient for the legal system.
If there is an active domestic disturbance going on based on witness testimony it’s a horse of a different color.
Dad asks kid if they want to see a gun, kid says sure
From an article another user posted:
She said Lucy was “categorically anti-gun” and was worried about there being a firearm in the house with her two younger half-sisters.
“I’m very anti-gun and cutting my trip short due to a fight we had, but sure, I’d love to go into another room with you to look at your loaded gun with the safety off. Could you point out right at me so I can get a good look at it?”
If you’re in your basement, and someone gets stabbed in your kitchen, you somehow know the stabber’s intent?
Go back and read the original fucking article. If you’re really curious, go scrounge up the actual facts of the case presented to the grand jury.
“Okay, but what if I’m skeptical? What if I’m double skeptical? What if I’m fully incredulous? Then can I believe her father killed her in cold blood?” Sure. Believe whatever fairy tale you want to tell yourself.
So your point is that, believing only the murderer, after a heated discussion about Trump and guns, he took his daughter to a room where he was displaying the safety features of a loaded gun and accidentally shot and killed her daughter… and in this scenario, there is ZERO criminal liability?
You are arguing with me, a random asshole on the internet, when you should be arguing with the DA and the grand jury, which did not find the evidence in the case gathered by a professional investigation team compelling enough to indict on.
yes, I come to Lemmy to find DAs and argue a year old case in a country I do not live in…
… which did not find the evidence in the case gathered by a professional investigation team compelling enough to indict on.
This is the USA, and Texas to boot… there is no professional anything when it comes to guns or law… it’s basically a banana republic at this point
What facts in the original article or the case are you referring to?
this is america - don’t think because they refused to press that there was no nonsense at foot. heck, even an accidental discharge should result in time. mind you, with guns, there is no such thing as an accident.
“with guns, there is no such thing as an accident”? Negligent discharges happen all the time. It’s a reasonably big part of gun injury statistics: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7250a1.htm
Guy should get in trouble for what happened. But it’s not reasonable to frame this like “we know he intentionally shot his daughter because of her views on Trump.” And don’t get me wrong, fuck trump and fuck maga.
i am not considering negligence an accident, that’s my point.
don’t think because they refused to press that there was no nonsense at foot
The argument presented by the Tweet varies enormously from the facts of the case. They didn’t even get the fucking date right. She was shot in January of 2025, not 2026.
You’re getting the internet gossip fifth hand while dismissing the legal decisions of this woman’s friends and neighbors because… America bad?
I agree that including a link to credible news sources is crucial. It’s also important to cite the facts as presented, then be clear when posting your own opinion or inserting misdirection such as “there were witnesses”.
Facts:
- There was a heated argument prior to the shooting.
- The shooter had implied, earlier in the day, that he would not care if the victim was assaulted because “I have other daughters”.
- The victim disliked guns and had not asked to see the gun, despite the shooter’s claim to the contrary.
- The victim was shot in the chest at medium range 15 seconds after she was pulled into a room with no witnesses.
Sources:
There was a heated argument prior to the shooting.
Is false right out of the gate.
Sam Littler, Lucy’s boyfriend, who was with her on the trip, told the inquest she had become upset earlier that day after having “quite a big argument” with her father about Trump, who was due to be inaugurated as president later that month.
Lucy had asked her father: “How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I’d been sexually assaulted?”
He responded that it would not upset him that much.
She was upset. He was cavalier.
He said his girlfriend’s father had spoken in the past about taking the gun out of the box and walking around with it “like James Bond”.
He treated his gun like a toy and his daughter paid for his childish attitude with her life. There’s a story here, but nobody on Lemmy seems to want to read it. They want to believe this house became some kind of war zone. The biter truth is that he fucked up because he didn’t take gun ownership seriously.
He treated his gun like a toy and his daughter paid for his childish attitude with her life.
That’s not manslaughter?
The tweet is wrong, yes, but there are dozens of articles coming out in the past 3 days that correctly date the killing.
There are dozens of articles reprinting the same events with increasingly click-bait geared headlines and takes.
Every iteration gets farther and farther away from the facts of the case.
They refused to bring manslaughter charges. I’m not a lawyer, but I cannot understand how even his version of events isn’t at least manslaughter.
I blame the prosecutor here.
There were no other witnesses. There were people in the house but the father took the daughter by the hand and led her to his room were the gun was located. She was very anti-gun… why would she want to see it? He shot her directly in the chest. No one else was in the room.
Edit: also earlier she asked if it was her that had been sexual assaulted(referring to something about Trump) he said he would not be that upset about it.
Someone died. No one gets punished for that? You must be American
Nobody was in the room where the father killed his daughter… he took her there aside from the rest of the fam
The GJ refused to indict based on the evidence provided by the prosecutor. The prosecutor, if they want, can get an indictment out of a GJ. The outcome is entirely dependent on decisions made by the prosecutor around what evidence to present and the manner in which it is presented.
The prosecutor, if they want, can get an indictment out of a GJ.
The prosecutor can present evidence to the GJ selectively. They can’t just demand the GJ issue an indictment. If there’s not enough selectively revealed evidence to convince a GJ, the case is almost certainly too weak to survive trial.
The prosecutor can present evidence to the GJ selectively.
Yup
If there’s not enough selectively revealed evidence to convince a GJ
You’re so close to seeing the issue here.
I think the bigger issue is neither link highlights the fact that he is facing zero consequences for any of this.
He had to watch his daughter die right in front of him, because he fumbled a weapon that was supposed to keep them safe. Idk how anyone can see that as inconsequential.
The state isn’t pursuing criminal penalties for his gross negligence. But that’s wildly different from how the story is being pitched - a guy gunning down his daughter in cold blood and escaping a criminal verdict because MAGA voters are above the law.
He had to watch his daughter die right in front of him, because he fumbled a weapon that was supposed to keep them safe. Idk how anyone can see that as inconsequential.
Because if he wanted to kill her then that’s not a consequence, it’s a reward. If only there was some sort of trial in which evidence could be presented to an impartial judge…
You don’t point a gun at something you don’t intend to kill. That’s firearms safety lesson one.
Pointing a gun alone is intent.
Do you believe in accidental deaths via firearms? Or are all firearm deaths intentional?
Edit: this is not snark but an honest question.
As a firearms owner I can unequivocally say that guns don’t shoot themselves. “Accidental” firearm deaths are all preventable. Idiots, like the person in this article that should be in jail awaiting trial for murder, should not own guns.
I don’t believe this death was unpreventable. Whether he only intended to brandish the gun and his finger slipped or if he intentionally murdered her is immaterial in the face that there’s no charges, not even manslaughter is appalling.
Agreed with all of that. Im not making any statement about how warranted or unwarranted his criminal charge, or lack of charge was.
Im just especially interested in the notion that pointing a gun at someone means there is intent to kill, regardless of circumstances. That seems weird. It seems like it would logically follow that all gun deaths have intent.
Edit: after doing some research, it appears intent to kill and criminal intent is the distinction. Legally, pointing a gun means there is criminal intent. However, pointing a gun alone does not imply intent to kill, at least not legally. I may have muddled the waters by not asking OP to clarify what type of intent they meant. I assumed intent to kill.
If I bring out a knife and kill you with it but only because I tripped while holding it at your throat, did I intend to kill you or not? Does it matter?
Pointing a real firearm at a person should always be treated as if the holder wants to kill a person. There are exceptions, none of them apply here.
Maybe show off the gun with no ammunition in it and the safety on. Not loaded with the safety off.
I’m not going to show off new kitchen knives to a friend by swinging them wildly around the house.
He should 100% be charged with criminal negligence causing death. He should 100% spend time in prison. Whether the tweet is a lie or not, and your claim is true, he killed his daughter because he was a negligent fucking moron.
No. Homicide at the least. You can’t argue to me that pointing a gun does not infer intent, or at least, I’d be willing to make that argument. If I were a prosecutor I’d find out what gun safety classes this guy had gone through and I can almost guarantee, if they’d been through any, the first thing they were taught was to not fire a gun at anything you do not intend to kill.
Pointing a gun at someone or something shows intent. It’s not like he had it reasonably secured in. A holster and it misfired.
He picked up the gun, he pointed the gun.
Now we have intent.
Whatever happens after that is his fault.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. I just haven’t seen anything that says he deliberately pointed it at her.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. I just haven’t seen anything that says he deliberately pointed it at her.
Is there a way to accidentally pick up a gun and point it at someone? Just playing the part of prosecutor.
Sitting next to her holding the gun on your lap and it goes off? I still haven’t seen anything about deliberately pointing it.
Absolutely not trying to defend anything thus guy did. He killed his daughter. He did so because of his own negligence. But like I said before I haven’t seen anything about deliberation pointing it at her.
Elsewhere in this post someone mentions that the Glock the father was using does not come with a safety, surprisingly this is not apparently mandated by law on firearms.
It’s just not consequential enough to avoid jail time imo. There’s also the fact that anyone could shoot someone and claim it as an accident if no witnesses are present.
I agree that the picture doesn’t tell the whole story though.
anyone could shoot someone and claim it as an accident if no witnesses are present
Her husband was in the house when it happened, along with the rest of her immediate family.
Sam Littler, Lucy’s boyfriend, described the couple’s final hours in the house as suffocating. The tension wasn’t just the usual vacation stress; it was specific and angry, fueled by a subject that can split families apart even when they’re sitting at the same breakfast table: Donald Trump.
What happened next is difficult to square with the violence that followed. About half an hour before they needed to leave—suitcases likely by the door—Harrison didn’t shout or storm off. He took his daughter’s hand. He led her into his ground-floor bedroom. It looked like a dad trying to make peace, perhaps stealing a quiet minute to apologize before she flew back to England—after yet another argument sparked by Donald Trump.
Fifteen seconds. That’s how long it took before the bang went off.
They weren’t in the room but It honestly makes him look even more guilty.
His story is a bit silly. “Just had a huge fight with my daughter, she’s about to leave. :( . Guess I’ll show her my gun”
it’s also fucky that the image makes claims about it happening/her dying in 2026 when it happened in 2025. might be a simple typo but I’m going to assume that whomever make the image just didn’t bother to check anything
Lucy Harrison, from Warrington in Cheshire, was shot in the chest on 10 January 2025 in Prosper, near Dallas.
A ton of these articles are unusable on mobile, which is why so many people only read the headlines. Despite it being factually wrong, this conveys about as much information as a normal post. Until news websites start making their sites readable (for normal people, i know how to get around all their shit, this isnt for me) and not filled with paywalls, pop up ads, and clickbait then were not going to get the actual facts
Thank goodness someone else is here who read the damn article. A grand jury can indict with a simple majority and they didn’t. That means, based on the facts, a majority of people vetted by lawyers for the people and the defense did not think this situation met muster to prosecute.
Of course a bunch of frothing internet randos looking at a twitter image are better suited to judge the case though!
This is political weirdos…not political psychos. Jesus Christ.
Definitely not a cult…
Name and shame and should not be free to walk the streets without being harassed and called a murder! Fuck that asshole.
WOW! I am honestly speechless and shocked
He didn’t gun her down in rage, it was an accident when he was showing her the gun according to the article.
Had to clarify that for the people (like the person who tweeted this) who think it is some “MAGA hunted down and shot his daughter for being anti MAGA” bullshit.
You are not immune to propaganda.
Fucking propaganda, fucks sake.
Even if you take all the political bullshit out of this you’ve still got a dumb cunt ‘accidentally’ shooting his daughter after having an argument.
And if you take the argument part out of this you’ve still got a dumb cunt accidentally shooting his daughter.
In every case the guy deserves prison. The end. Full stop.Now if you look further in to the argument you’ll see that the daughter asked if he would be upset if tRUMP raped her, and father said something along the lines of “I’ve got two other daughters so I wouldn’t be too upset”.
The guy preferred guns and a child rapist over his own daughter, and he should go to jail.Oh he’s 100% a dipshit that deserves jail time, he caused an avoidable death This headline reads like “Man finds out his daughter is liberal and deliberately shoots her in home for being liberal” which is just patently wrong. The reason I said it is because I’ve already seen other articles and people on here jumping on it to be like he intentionally killed his own daughter. The people jumping on the article title without reading what happened is not the way to do this stuff.
it was an accident when he was showing her the gun according to the article.
according to the murderer…
The article said other people were in the home. So multiple witnesses.
This is what I’m talking about. He is highly likely just a dipshit that can’t safely handle firearms, but lots of people are reading the title and saying “MAGA dad assassinates daughter for being liberal”
It;s very easy to see how the Dad was negligent in possessing a firearm.
- Kris Harrison decides that showing his daughter, Lucy Harrison a gun was a good idea
- Kris Harrison is drunk
- Kris Harrison keeps the gun loaded for “mA pRoTeCtIoN”
- Kris Harrison never keeps the safety on
- Kris Harrison never cleared the firearm when put it in his hands
- Kris Harrison is drunk handling a firearm
- Kris Harrison doesn’t hand the grip first instead tries to hand the firearm barrel pointing at his daughter
- Kris Harrison is drunk and doesn’t realize it doesn’t take much pressure to pull the trigger back
I would be willing to bet Kris Harrison never took a firearms course.
I would also like to point our, we have no idea where Lucy Harrison was shot. If she was shot in the back, this would reek of murder. If Lucy Harrison was shot in the lower abdomen, then does seem like Kris Harrison was negligent.
I would also like to point our, we have no idea where Lucy Harrison was shot. If she was shot in the back, this would reek of murder. If Lucy Harrison was shot in the lower abdomen, then does seem like Kris Harrison was negligent.
Article linked above said she was shot on chest
Clear cut ‘Criminal negligence causing death’.
The gun did not apparently have a safety and safeties are not mandated by law (based on what others have said elsewhere in this post)
there are no accidents when it comes to guns; so it’s still disgusting he got nothing in terms of charges when it came to this.
100% agreed. Every shot from a gun is preventable, owning one means you know the risks and the consequences.
First rule of gun ownership is you point your gun only at what you want to destroy.
Guns are not false threats. They are not tools to make everyone chill out.
As a gun owner, I don’t “show” people my gun unless I plan to destroy them.
Yep, but…
Littler said on the morning of 10 January his partner had asked her father during the Trump row: “How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I’d been sexually assaulted?”
Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it would not upset him that much.
Littler said Lucy became “quite upset” and ran upstairs.
That sure as hell primes any biases…
The framing and title of the BBC article I read was curious. But even knowing the facts, the story sounds very much like he killed her and said it was an accident - tho that’s nothing more than common speculation. A lot of things don’t make sense, which lead people to suspect murder; but reality is messy and irrational. We can only hope a thorough investigation was done.
But the amount of divisive social media pushes using this story in one way or another is concerning. The OP is from X which let’s users monetize their posts, so a good chunk is probably just intentional engagement bait, just as the article was borderline click bait.
Guns only fire when you pull the trigger. They only hit what they are pointed at.
Whatever else you want to believe, he pointed the gun at her chest and he pulled the trigger. Whatever narrative you arrive at has to fit the established facts first.
Now tell us how he didn’t murder his daughter.
She stands to his side, he handles the gun on its side over the bed (like one would when examining it), he’s a dipshit and pulls the trigger to mess with it not looking where it’s pointed, bang, oh shit, here we are.
Until an investigation actually comes out, there’s no knowing what happened exactly, and even then it’s if the investigation goes well. But I’d like to err on the side of hope and assume a man wouldn’t intentionally blast his own daughter in the chest in their own home over politics.
Why would you assume a looney tunes chain of events when parents killing their kids is like the most normal fucking thing in history? Sorry to bum you out, but parents murder their kids every single day, its a hell of a lot more common than some rube goldberg chain of bullshit like you are describing.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/07/health/filicide-parents-killing-kids-stats-trnd
It seems that the only conclusions that really fit the facts are either it was a complete accident (a tragically common occurrence) or the man planned to murder his own child, which seems unthinkable.
The argument then comes down to whether a grand jury, who presumably heard exhaustive facts about the case, concluded that he should not be prosecuted based on their own biases and desires rather than the letter or intent of the law.
It feels a little far fetched to me.
which seems unthinkable.
It definitely is thinkable
He accidentally pointed the gun directly at his daughter’s chest, he accidentally put his finger in the trigger, and he accidentally pulled the trigger.
That is what you believe?
Are you stupid?
He accidentally pointed the gun directly at his daughter’s chest, he accidentally put his finger in the trigger, and he accidentally pulled the trigger.
after arguing with her, telling her that it would not upset him much is she had been raped by Trump, bringing her by the hand to his room where he proceeded to shoot her…
To be fair, it happens all the fucking time in America. It’s only everything surrounding it that makes that suspicious.
There was a heated argument and then he led her into a room no one could see into and she was shot. The most likely excuse the guy could come up with was the gun accidentally went off.
No witnesses?
Thing is, even if it was an accident, I think it’s in the realm of normal maga behavior.
Yeah, they were having a heated argument and then he decided it was a good time to “show her his gun”, so he pulled it out, pointed it at her chest, and pulled the trigger.
You are a moron.
