• CircaV@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    I am so so so angry about this. Trunp said the 51st state again - TODAY. And Carney folds like a cheap ass suit on the DST. Fuck that. Carney appeasing fash like a pro. Carney “we’re masters in our own house” blah de blah fuck off. Tax those yank fucks or they can gtfo of our country. I don’t want yank social media shitmaganda. Fuck Carney for this. 1 term, short lived PM.

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    3 months ago

    Now I hear the angry noises here, and I’m pretty angry myself, but I’m hoping that this is one elbow down so we can get something for it, like keeping supply management. If we get fucked on all fronts then… Yeah. Fuck.

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      3 months ago

      I don’t like it either, but stroking Trump’s ego and not doing anything to set him off is probably a better strategy than telling him to go fuck himself. Although I really really hope it works out. If Carney doesn’t get a win the Liberals are going to be replaced real quick.

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        3 months ago

        It will not work. It never works. Trump is a bully. When in the history of the universe has capitulating to a bully ever resulted in a fair deal?

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          I’m not sure pissing off bullies leads to fair deals either. I’m thinking Carney isn’t trying to get a good deal, but to avoid a trade war. Hell, Trump could order air strikes on Canada. He did it with Iran. Probably best not to piss him off. $2 billion in tax would be great but the government can also just print $2 billion if they really wanted to.

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            3 months ago

            What makes you think that he won’t further a trade war or drop bombs on Vancouver if we do give him everything he wants? Placating bullies doesn’t pacify them, it emboldens them. Canada should be pushing back against the US and dragging the rest of the world with us in the process. Instead, everyone is just falling in line while Trump walks all over us.

            If we’re really lucky, we’ll get to keep some cosmetic sovereignty out of all of this, but I don’t like our chances.

              • Daniel Quinn@lemmy.ca
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                3 months ago

                Yes, I would have millions of Canadians suffer to maintain our right to set our own fiscal policy. The alternative is annexation. Have you seen what the US does to its own citizens? Can you imagine what they would do to Canada as a vassal state?

                There’s no need to cut trade entirely, simply mirroring their tariffs would be sufficient. If they want lower tariffs, they know what they need to do.

                Would I start a war? Obviously not, but I’m not going to fool myself into thinking I’m avoiding one by giving them everything they demand. It has, after all, never worked with any dictator ever in the history of the world. If war is coming, it’s because the Americans want it, and we should all be ready. That means building trade and military alliances with actual friends. I think re-tooling the nation’s economy on a war-footing would be a good idea too, but before we go that far, I think I’d adopt Doctorow’s advice and kill the legislation on digital locks. If the Americans want to treat us like enemies, they should see just what that means. We should “turn off the taps” for oil, gas, and electricity and start encouraging high-skilled Americans to resettle in Canada.

                This could be a great opportunity for us: reverse the brain drain and get out from under the US thumb. They’ve demonstrated that there’s no way to deal with them fairly, so now the alternative, albeit the more difficult route, is the only viable option.