There were once so many children at Frisha Moore’s Elk Grove preschool that families filled up the waitlist. Now, one of her playgrounds and two classrooms sit empty because one key group of kids has stopped coming.

Dozens of families in recent years have opted not to enroll their 4-year-olds at Moore Learning Preschool & Child Care Center, she said. Instead, they’re putting their children in transitional kindergarten, California’s new public pre-kindergarten grade.

Even though she provides a full day of preschool, compared with transitional kindergarten that lasts only about 3.5 hours, Moore can’t compete: Public school is free. She hasn’t broken even in months and thinks about closing the preschool, “every single day.” That would remove 91 licensed child care spots from the county, including 20 for children under age 2, for whom child care options are particularly scarce.

Transitional kindergarten’s expansion is one of Gov. Gavin Newsom’s signature educational achievements and a key part of his legacy on how California cares for its youngest residents.

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    I cal bullshit.

    Preschools and daycares always have a waiting list. Especially because “she provides a full day of preschool, compared with transitional kindergarten that lasts only about 3.5 hours” Call them and ask for a place for your 3 year old. I bet theres a waitlist. This is BS capitalist propaganda

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    Good. I am so tired of people taking advantage of the critical needs of humanity and getting upset when we take the profits away from them.

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    Oh good, they can sell their businesses to the government at a loss and those can be folded into the public system. Some services are too critical to be privatized, and it’s about fucking time people remembered this. Not everything can be managed on a profit margin.

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      Do you want to see Elon lose his shit. If Democrats run on mass free public transportation he will. He despises it. He got hundreds of millions from blue cities in exchange for his hyper loop system that he’s done nothing with. Those cities should be demanding their money back. Dems need to run on this

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    Well, womp womp I guess.

    But also, am I the only one surprised, that Gavin Newsom of all people did this? The guy that had Steve Bannon on his podcast just to congratulate him on his strategy? The guy that he would definetly veto the idea of his own party to introduce a minor wealth tax?

    Perhaps this is an incincere attempt at coasting of Mamdanis polulartiy? In any case, I will continue to despise the guy, because I refuse to believe that this decision was based on any real beliefs on his part.

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    Good. Fuck em. I was able to have my daughter do TK for free and it was phenomenal. Private preschool costs more than rent. Maybe they should try reducing their prices.

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      Good. Fuck em.

      Literally my first thought as I was reading the post. Then I see this as the first comment.

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    Okay. And? Struggling to see the issue. I’m sure they’re qualified to work for the state if they can’t compete. They make it sound like this is a problem.

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      The real issue is that kids have to be at least four years old for the pre-K program, so kids younger than that have limited options if the local daycare closes. Babies and kids who aren’t potty-trained are more expensive to care for than older kids, so those parents may not be able to afford care now.

      I still think the expanded pre-K is a good idea, but it would be nice if the state offered daycare subsidies or something to support the younger kids who still need daycare.

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        The UK system is a means tested credits for families that private companies can claim.

        Still only for a narrow age range, and limited hours, but means they don’t have to compete with “free”, and families that need more hours can get it while also getting the subsidy.

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        Decent point. But yeah just expand community care etc. This is one of the easiest things to do with the biggest positive community and social benefit. It’s should be a no-brainer. Sadly, too many people have something worse than no brains. Some sort of moldy diseased mush that makes them think, exploitative rent seeking behavior in childcare is a good idea. Rather than quality and sustainability.

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          Yeah, expanding social services for child care is almost always the right move, especially if you want people to even consider having kids. No program is perfect, and putting daycares out of business is unfortunate, but you can solve each problem as it comes up. The frustrating thing is that political opponents will just shit all over something like this and argue that it should be cancelled entirely.

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      Because it is a corporate media outlet. And like every corporate media outlet in existence ever, they will always side with capitalism.

      P. S. Despite this somewhat charitable program by Newsom, he is a true Reagan democrat. And I will never, and I mean absolutely fucking never, vote for him as president.

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        So this was a couple of years ago I was in western Nebraska traveling up to deadwood south Dakota. Stopped at a gas station, I see a car with Oregon plates and the guy acting clueless as to what to do.

        I get out and he asks me what he needs to do. I was sort of dumbfounded that this guy didn’t know how to pump gas and making a trip from oregon. I showed him.

        A few months later I read it was required in Oregon for attendants to pump gas and people in general didn’t and that most of the public didn’t know how.

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            May have unironically gotten lucky with finding the stations with attendants who pumped gas and having really good fuel efficiency. I once stopped at a station I believe in elk bend where the dude did it for me and my Truck can get from Vegas to blackjack on a single tank if I’m feeling stupid. Mind you old Toyotas are most certainly in possession of a machine spirit so it may vary.

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            And now you understand how I was so baffled. It’s still a mystery to me. Maybe he had someone show him he just wasn’t comfortable doing it himself yet? Idk

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        That would be the news only if they could overcharged you for attendants to fill your fuel or get get robots to do it, or both.

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      More petit bourgeois whining if you ask me. Adapt your model, or close your doors and figure something else out.

      Free education and care for all children vs. crippling childcare costs for a few is more than a fair trade off imo.

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        Free education and care for all children

        … is not happening right now in California. Kids under 4 aren’t eligible, and are also more expensive to find daycare options for. That’s not going to get fixed by driving a bunch of daycares out of business.

        The solution is obviously more state run care for younger children, but that’s not what exists right now. So it’s going to be a problem if a solution isn’t passed before these daycares start closing down.

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          If the other options don’t exist then how are the private daycares struggling to fill the classrooms? People need their kids taken care of, I doubt anyone is prematurely taking their kids out of private daycare.

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          Why don’t the daycares shift focus to the younger kids? The older kids are going to tk and the daycares are not going to be able to compete for that demographic. Shift your services or collapse. There isn’t going to be a daycare bailout.

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    In my country kindergartens from 3 yo and up is free, and in some cities even daycares from 1 yo are heavily subsidized, yet private ones are still full and you need to book with year in advance paying non refundable deposits. Maybe she’s overcharging?

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      Maybe she’s overcharging?

      Definitely. The problem is they’re accustomed to the “new normal” of fucking everyone else over without any retaliation.

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    public school is free

    free at point of use. tax (rightfully) pays for it.

    private daycare is a racket

    kids under two

    downsize and focus on that underserved area? thats what the fReE mArKeT wants

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      free at point of use. tax (rightfully) pays for it.

      What is this American obsession with pointing this out? Yes, free at the point-of-use. That’s what “free” means in this context. What else could it possibly mean?

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        To be fair, too many idiot redhats try to argue that stuff isn’t free cause their taxes pay for it. This becomes their sole argument in opposition to whatever they’ve been told to oppose.

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        im not american.

        the article literally quotes the owner of the daycare saying “school is free”. Which it isnt. that was a lie from the owner.

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          the article literally quotes the owner of the daycare saying “school is free”. Which it isnt. that was a lie from the owner.

          What would the sentence “school is free” actually mean then? Do you think the word “free” usually means that it hasn’t cost anyone any effort or money to produce? Because it basically always means “the person receiving it doesn’t pay for it”.

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              free at point of use.

              Im not playing petty semantic word games with you.

              Oh, but you’ll play them with the OP? How unfair.

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                OP? I was responding to the content of the article. Not whoever posted it.

                You dont need to be this obtuse. Are you doing that intentionally?

                The quote was from the day care centre complaining about competing with “free daycare”.

                I replied to discuss what “free” means.

                You then decided to bring in even more specificity. Fine, whatever. But dont whine at me about not being as granular as you prefer.

                How about discussing the context of free/tax/paid for daycare and how a private daycare could compete?

                You dont need to cry that my wording isnt to your exact preference and expectations. Feel free to redefine it.