• EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
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    Can’t wait for the next Luigi to use one of these on an Epstein CEO. Polymarket, please let me make that bet.

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    Notably absent… the explosives.

    But sure, if you are wondering how folks out in Yemen or Gaza managed to retaliate against their oppressors for so long, this is a textbook example of how and why. What’s being proposed is collection of technology we’ve had since at least the 1960s that’s slowly made its way into civilian circulation.

    Also…

    Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

    I mean, we’re seeing what “just-launched prototypes with no effective track record” have accomplished on the Ukraine-Russia front-lines and it’s a decidedly mixed bag.

    I think a harder question to answer is “Who would be interested in putting one of these into practical use?” And that gets to the real value-add of a Stinger MANPAD. Namely, the humans willing and practiced enough to use it.

    Also - and again, this cannot be overstated - the model above has no explosives installed. Idk how confident I’d be around one of these things if it was actually armed.

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      I synthesize energetics. I can make a primary explosive that is stable enough for cap usage with a solo cup. I can synthesize secondaries like RDX above (one of the more complicated common ones) in short order with a basic chemistry set and the internet to order basic reagents. None are controlled substances.

      It is trivially easy to make effective shapes charges and energetics at home.

      Synthesis is federally legal in the US so long as you do not assemble into a device or transport. You can do both with an SOT as an FFL.

      If I wanted to, I could make a shaped charge that was point imitated and base detonated for the above projectile and it would punch through about 1.5 feet of homogeneously rolled steel.

      The limit to threat is not the access to explosives, as the chemistry and processes are published freely online as easy to replicate. The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.

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        The United States has a variant of the AGM-114 Hellfire missile that replaces the explosive warhead with six scimitar blades. Because fuck That Guy, the whole That Guy and nothing but the That Guy.

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      You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware and improve it vs something that might be thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands to deploy.

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        You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware

        Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

        :-/

        I mean, time will tell. To date, this particular iteration of technology has a 0% success rate in doing anything but farming clicks.

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      You don’t need explosives. It has a spot in the front for a camera. One of the new microcontrollers with AI accelerators can do face recognition extremely quickly. It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.

      Even if you changed nothing about the design, the speed and mass of the thing hitting a person in the face could kill.

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        As the bps space YouTube channel has shown, reliability is paramount in any launch, especially a guided launch.

        That and people duck when shit flies at them, unless it’s supersonic, which again, as bps space has shown, control of a supersonic flight is extremely difficult to get right.

        This is a guy who landed a hobby rocket like a tesla booster.

        But at $100 a pop, you could have backups. (or payloads)

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        It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.

        Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

        :-/

        I think

        it’s more like a high speed burrito delivery device.

        Is a more accurate assessment.

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      It’s not a MANPAD really.

      The sensor package has no IR sensor (or radar unit) and no way to proximity fuse.

      It has GPS, accelerometer and barometric pressure. It’s more like a rocket powered artillery shell than an anti-air weapon.

      Or, given the lack of payload, it’s more like a high speed burrito delivery device.

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      Atomize* some propelant, boom, explosive.

      * english choose the dumbest word for “zerstäuben”.

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        Does that literally mean “make dust”? I think “powderize” might be a better translation in this context, if it’s a solid, or “aerosolize” if it’s a liquid. I’ve never been a big fan of the word “atomize” in any case.

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        Atomize, from the original Ancient Greek adjective atomos, meaning “uncuttable” or “indivisible”.

        Seems pretty apt to me. You have rendered it into its smallest constituent pieces through physical means, any further reduction requires chemical processes, or high energy physics. Coincidentally, a simple spark provides both.

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        Atomize* some propelant, boom, explosive.

        The trick is to get the atomized propelant to “boom, explosive” at the target and not in your backpack.

        Also, you probably want a “boom” sufficient to accomplish whatever demolition you’re planning, which - again - raises the stakes regarding what’s in your backpack.

        There’s a classic little film called “The Wages of Fear” that explores the hazards of amateurs transporting high explosives over long distances.

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            Tannerite comes to mind. It explodes from a high impact, and little else. I’m not sure what sort of yield you’d get. That stuff mostly just makes a pop and smoke.

            I have heard of people using it on stubborn tree stumps, but that’s several pounds of the stuff.

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          I mean, spray the leftover fuel into the oxygen-filled head only on target? It wouldn’t stay atomized for long anyway. And for the boom, the shell needs only be strong enough. Wouldn’t that work?

          Sure, there’s more effective explosives.

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            Wouldn’t that work?

            Idk, you wanna find out?

            Listen, if you’ve got the specs for military ordinance and want to say “We’ve done this a thousand times, it works fine” that’s one thing.

            But it’s very much another to just wave your hands and announce “you know, the boom-boom juice goes here and the detonator goes there and it’ll probably do something.”

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    Great… can’t wait for politicians to use this as a way to pass “common sense” legislation banning 3D printers.

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      They already are over 3d guns, this will send them ballistic. They want every printer to keep a record of everything they’ve printed. Model legislation, I think CA tried and so far failed to pass it.

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      Aren’t they already doing that due to their hysteria over “ghost” guns?

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      They can try, but the parts that make up a printer are used in tons of other applications. It isn’t hard to build one from scratch.

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      They’re already trying that in New York and California, unfortunately. “Any 3D printer capable of printing parts for firearms” was the verbage, from what I recall.

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      I wonder if there is some archive or torrent for STL files, like an archive of thingiverse or something. Would be nice to archive that just in case.

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        Is that even necessary? Anyone with a CAD tool can recreate the 3D printed parts from a glance and a few specs.

        It’s literally a tube. Which—to be fair—is a “weapon of mass destruction” according to President Bush (the other war criminal president).

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      You don’t need to ban 3D printers. Restrictions and licensing requirements for making, using, owning rockets and guidance software are enough.

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        His guidance is just wifi cameras talking to it. Not sure it even is using gps.

        To ban stuff like this you have to ban a lot of useful tech

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        This already would fall under an FFL for legal citizens anyway. As is the nature of the internet though, this open design will be preserved and available for those who seek it.

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          Yes. I am actually surprised we haven’t seen a major terrorist attack in a western country using remote controlled or autonomous drones for example. The technology has been available for years now.

          3D printed home made guns like the FGC-9 and Urutau have been around for a while now, but remain marginal in gun crime.

          As you say, the cat is out the bag and on the internet forever. However homemade guns and instructions on how to make them have been around for decades.

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            The lack of simple attacks on soft targets is proof that the threat is overstated and that a statistically overwhelming portion of humans simply don’t want to put bombs on busses and rig them to explode on bridges or in tunnels.

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            Most western terrorist attacks are by opportunistic losers who don’t have the knowledge or motivation to do something like this.

            They’d rather drive a car into people who make them angry and use a gun they already own.

            As for organized groups until recently there have been any good reason for an attack from any centrally organized group.

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            Ukraine and Russia are western countries. Narco cartels have started using fpv drones, too.

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    “Do you have natural freckles or did you use that shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype again?”

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    That’s fucking nuts.

    I have a lot of thoughts, but all I can really say is that’s fucking nuts.

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    I wish the video actually had him using it to hit a drone or something. As is, it only shows one actual launch, and it didn’t look all that impressive. His motors didn’t seem to have enough umph to let the missile stabilize properly.

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      Yeah it didn’t say what type of propellant either. I know you can juice it with things like aluminum dust mixed in there. Oxygen and Propane with AL dust would kick.

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            Potassium nitrate and sugar just as proof of concept. The first video is worth a look. He’s released another but I haven’t had a chance to check it yet.

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    Neat. I wonder if there is anything you can use as a warhead without it becoming a destructive device. Chalk rounds?

    I’m also curious to know the rocket velocity compared to actual MANPADS. I’ll have to watch the videos later because I’m also curious about whether they’re independent or require the launching laptop to stay connected.

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      Velocity and range are also my main questions, as well as tracking quality and speed. The video doesn’t demonstrate it hitting a flying target.

      Common MANPADS like Stinger, Strela, etc. use infrared tracking. The seekers are high performance and fast but need complex supercooling with gas. Using a MANPADS you only have seconds, to arm, aim and track, then fire the missile against a fast moving target before it‘s out of range. These can hit low flying supersonic jets.

      Still this project is very impressive and hints at the possibility to build cheap low end MANPADS that can target slow moving strike and observation drones, maybe helicopters.

      It’s another indicator, that mass produced cheap precision weapons are a major trend in warfare.

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      Potentially could be used for things like spreading flame-retardent powder for putting out a wildfire or similar with more precision. Would also remove the risk of a human life in firefighting so areas might be cleared quicker.