Deport them where? You’re just going to dump them on someone else’s shores for them to become undocumented immigrants to be shipped back to America? I know we’ve set up camps in other countries but there’s several orders of magnitude of difference there. The logistics alone of moving a third of the US is insane and that’s if they wanted to participate. Of course they don’t have any long term plans
In Marshall Brain’s prophetic story Mana, American society as we recognize it fully collapses as automation takes over. The top few percent come up with a way to manage the surplus population.
They realize that the same automation that’s put everyone out of work also allows you to house vast numbers of people very cheaply. Out on cheap land in rural areas in the central US, they build vast government dorms meant to simply warehouse the surplus population. Then they revived the old vagrancy laws. Anyone who didn’t have the money to support themselves independently or wasn’t employed was sent to live in one of these dorms.
Imagine a single windowless concrete building capable of housing hundreds of thousands of people inside. It was basically an involuntary permanent dorm situation. You share a tiny room with roommates. You have access to plenty of free electronic entertainment. You get food and medical care in the automated facilities. But you are ultimately a prisoner. Hundreds of millions of people, the vast majority of the US population, was herded into these facilities and forgotten. And they added contraceptives to the water supply to provide a long-term solution to the surplus population problem.
I think of this when I hear of their plans for ICE to house detainees in former warehouses. Sure, mass murder is an option. But that’s a kind of thing that’s hard to hide, and it’s the kind of thing that makes people start taking up arms. If you know that getting brought in will get you sent to a death camp, then you have every incentive to resist violently.
Think of a facility like El Salvador’s CECOT.
Warehouses are pretty cheap. And when you house people at those densities, few guards are needed. Imagine tens of millions of people shoved into facilities like this, and then simply forgotten. No mass murder. No mass graves. Just tens of millions of people forced to live out the rest of their lives in horrible conditions until they die of disease or old age. Oh, and in sex-segregated facilities to ensure the next generation of ethnic minorities is never born.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t built a factory city like China has, but where the “employees” are all the immigrants and the conditions are more like you describe.
OK. I have a new take on The Matrix. A reverse Matrix. Because of [sci fi mathobable reason], a kind of hyper-efficient form of LLM computation can be done via humans drawing random patterns. Or have some other mechanism where humans have to tangibly create the very computational foundations of AIs. We finally achieve universal employment. There’s always some meager wage to be made grinding away in the AI mill. The masses draw squiggles all day so that the wealthy can have a robot butler.
It’s remarkably easy for the average person to believe all of America is collectively just like Trump, without realizing there’s a large swath of the American population who are vehemently against it who are being ignored.
The Nazis wanted to force all Jews out of the country. Turns out there’s a lot of insurmountable financial and bureaucratic hurdles associated with housing and deporting several million people all at once.
Make no mistake, these conservative ghouls are fully aware that it is not feasible to do the same thing with 10x as many people and they’ll eventually need to come up with a more… “Final solution” to the problem they’re creating.
The terrifying thing is that with modern construction and the wealth the US has at is disposal, we could afford to just lock up tens of millions of people and forget about them. Maybe the Nazis couldn’t, but we could. We have that ability.
CECOT takes 850 staff to house 40,000 people. That’s roughly one staff member per 50 prisoners. Let’s say detention staff in the US make $75k per year including pay and benefits. Let’s say staff cost is half the cost of detaining someone. That would mean that we could detain people in CECOT-like conditions for about $3,000 per person per year. To detain 100 million people would cost $300 billion a year. That is well within the capability of the US to pay for if there was will to do so. That’s less than a third of the US military budget.
The typical cost of housing prisoners in the US is around $40-50k per year. But that assumes normal prison conditions. Actual proper prisons with 2-3 prisoners to a cell, with various ancillary facilities such as libraries, gym space, etc. available to prisoners. If you just instead lock people in a big open warehouse, the cost per prisoner drops immensely.
This could easily be the end game for the neo Nazis. No need to create death camps. No need to dig mass graves. No risk of Tiktok filling up with images of thousands of corpses. No risk of the minorities realizing they have nothing to lose and taking up arms to resist being sent to the death camps. Just millions of ‘criminals’ being sent to prison - nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing to see here.
And for the “final solution?” You can have a non-lethal final solution if you’re patient enough. These millions would be housed in sex-segregated facilities. If you simply lock up all your ethnic minorities in sex-segregated facilities and wait? Well, eventually you won’t have any more ethnic minorities. The next generation will simply never be born. Hell, even if the regime can only manage to do it for 10-20 years, an entire generation would be missing. Even if the regime were toppled relatively quickly as far as these things go, you would still be looking at an eventual reduction of the ethnic minority population at a level proportional to what Jewish Europeans experienced in the Holocaust. It would still represent a massive permanent altering of the nation’s ethnic makeup. Keeping every racial minority from having kids for a decade would do that, even if no one was ever actually sent to a death camp.
It is sobering to realize that with modern technology and the staggering wealth of modern economies, we actually could afford to just lock up a third of the population and throw away the key. Ethnic cleansing without ever directly taking a single life.
Just at Treblinka alone the Nazis murdered 900,000 over a span of 18 months. The camp was staffed at any one time by 25 German officers and soldiers and 100 local workers. Almost all of the victims were murdered with the exhaust from a single tank engine. Other camps were generally much larger-scale operations because the Nazis were trying to extract useful work from their victims before murdering them; Treblinka was purely for mass murder.
Anyone who thinks the Nazis couldn’t have murdered a lot more people than they did if they had a little more time is misinformed.
Best we can do is a few months of taxpayer-funded disease-ridden torture camp then, if you survive that, deportment to some war-torn dictatorship where you will disappear without trace.
Deport them where? You’re just going to dump them on someone else’s shores for them to become undocumented immigrants to be shipped back to America? I know we’ve set up camps in other countries but there’s several orders of magnitude of difference there. The logistics alone of moving a third of the US is insane and that’s if they wanted to participate. Of course they don’t have any long term plans
At that scale, they’ll start “deporting” people into the ground with a bullet in the back of their heads in no time.
The Holocaust was initiated because of the logistical challenges of merely displacing the number of people they wanted gone.
The smart ones pushing this probably know this, the others will realize it and fall in line when the time comes.
“Evacuate” was the term they used in Wannsee.
The Jewish storage problem.
It won’t be long now.
Hopefully America speed runs its way to the final days of the reich.
Oh, I don’t actually see death camps.
In Marshall Brain’s prophetic story Mana, American society as we recognize it fully collapses as automation takes over. The top few percent come up with a way to manage the surplus population.
They realize that the same automation that’s put everyone out of work also allows you to house vast numbers of people very cheaply. Out on cheap land in rural areas in the central US, they build vast government dorms meant to simply warehouse the surplus population. Then they revived the old vagrancy laws. Anyone who didn’t have the money to support themselves independently or wasn’t employed was sent to live in one of these dorms.
Imagine a single windowless concrete building capable of housing hundreds of thousands of people inside. It was basically an involuntary permanent dorm situation. You share a tiny room with roommates. You have access to plenty of free electronic entertainment. You get food and medical care in the automated facilities. But you are ultimately a prisoner. Hundreds of millions of people, the vast majority of the US population, was herded into these facilities and forgotten. And they added contraceptives to the water supply to provide a long-term solution to the surplus population problem.
I think of this when I hear of their plans for ICE to house detainees in former warehouses. Sure, mass murder is an option. But that’s a kind of thing that’s hard to hide, and it’s the kind of thing that makes people start taking up arms. If you know that getting brought in will get you sent to a death camp, then you have every incentive to resist violently.
Think of a facility like El Salvador’s CECOT.
Warehouses are pretty cheap. And when you house people at those densities, few guards are needed. Imagine tens of millions of people shoved into facilities like this, and then simply forgotten. No mass murder. No mass graves. Just tens of millions of people forced to live out the rest of their lives in horrible conditions until they die of disease or old age. Oh, and in sex-segregated facilities to ensure the next generation of ethnic minorities is never born.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t built a factory city like China has, but where the “employees” are all the immigrants and the conditions are more like you describe.
OK. I have a new take on The Matrix. A reverse Matrix. Because of [sci fi mathobable reason], a kind of hyper-efficient form of LLM computation can be done via humans drawing random patterns. Or have some other mechanism where humans have to tangibly create the very computational foundations of AIs. We finally achieve universal employment. There’s always some meager wage to be made grinding away in the AI mill. The masses draw squiggles all day so that the wealthy can have a robot butler.
A million slaves replying to messages, looking up the answers on Google.
How? Germany was stopped by outside military forces, and there’s no opposing great power that’s gonna come and conquer/liberate us.
Do not pretend there’s any way out of this without you, personally helping to make it happen.
It’s remarkably easy for the average person to believe all of America is collectively just like Trump, without realizing there’s a large swath of the American population who are vehemently against it who are being ignored.
The Nazis wanted to force all Jews out of the country. Turns out there’s a lot of insurmountable financial and bureaucratic hurdles associated with housing and deporting several million people all at once.
Make no mistake, these conservative ghouls are fully aware that it is not feasible to do the same thing with 10x as many people and they’ll eventually need to come up with a more… “Final solution” to the problem they’re creating.
The terrifying thing is that with modern construction and the wealth the US has at is disposal, we could afford to just lock up tens of millions of people and forget about them. Maybe the Nazis couldn’t, but we could. We have that ability.
CECOT takes 850 staff to house 40,000 people. That’s roughly one staff member per 50 prisoners. Let’s say detention staff in the US make $75k per year including pay and benefits. Let’s say staff cost is half the cost of detaining someone. That would mean that we could detain people in CECOT-like conditions for about $3,000 per person per year. To detain 100 million people would cost $300 billion a year. That is well within the capability of the US to pay for if there was will to do so. That’s less than a third of the US military budget.
The typical cost of housing prisoners in the US is around $40-50k per year. But that assumes normal prison conditions. Actual proper prisons with 2-3 prisoners to a cell, with various ancillary facilities such as libraries, gym space, etc. available to prisoners. If you just instead lock people in a big open warehouse, the cost per prisoner drops immensely.
This could easily be the end game for the neo Nazis. No need to create death camps. No need to dig mass graves. No risk of Tiktok filling up with images of thousands of corpses. No risk of the minorities realizing they have nothing to lose and taking up arms to resist being sent to the death camps. Just millions of ‘criminals’ being sent to prison - nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing to see here.
And for the “final solution?” You can have a non-lethal final solution if you’re patient enough. These millions would be housed in sex-segregated facilities. If you simply lock up all your ethnic minorities in sex-segregated facilities and wait? Well, eventually you won’t have any more ethnic minorities. The next generation will simply never be born. Hell, even if the regime can only manage to do it for 10-20 years, an entire generation would be missing. Even if the regime were toppled relatively quickly as far as these things go, you would still be looking at an eventual reduction of the ethnic minority population at a level proportional to what Jewish Europeans experienced in the Holocaust. It would still represent a massive permanent altering of the nation’s ethnic makeup. Keeping every racial minority from having kids for a decade would do that, even if no one was ever actually sent to a death camp.
It is sobering to realize that with modern technology and the staggering wealth of modern economies, we actually could afford to just lock up a third of the population and throw away the key. Ethnic cleansing without ever directly taking a single life.
“Ethnic cleansing is SO DAMN EXPENSIVE!!!”
The logistics are impossible, the only thing you’d achieve is triggering a second American revolution.
They’re going for a second Holocaust.
The Holocaust was nowhere near 100 million people…
The Nazis ran into some problems and had to close shop early.
Just at Treblinka alone the Nazis murdered 900,000 over a span of 18 months. The camp was staffed at any one time by 25 German officers and soldiers and 100 local workers. Almost all of the victims were murdered with the exhaust from a single tank engine. Other camps were generally much larger-scale operations because the Nazis were trying to extract useful work from their victims before murdering them; Treblinka was purely for mass murder.
Anyone who thinks the Nazis couldn’t have murdered a lot more people than they did if they had a little more time is misinformed.
Yes, which is exactly what I said would happen here. History is useful in that way.
I’m a first generation American citizen and I would love to be deported to the Netherlands or Germany if the US and the EU an come to an agreement.
You’ll be deported to a rubber dingy in the middle of the North Atlantic.
Best we can do is a few months of taxpayer-funded disease-ridden torture camp then, if you survive that, deportment to some war-torn dictatorship where you will disappear without trace.
Hmm…that or live in Alabama…tough choice.