If we’ve learned anything from 2024, it’s that this won’t fly…
Sign needs to say “Looking for Unicorn to run for President, otherwise we’ll get trump again”
If there’s anything we learned from 2024, it’s that we need to all get behind the same person instead of not voting or voting third party instead. The game sucks, but if we don’t play it, we lose, and if we don’t play it, there’s no working towards getting any other systems in place (ranked tier voting or whatever it’s called, or any if the other even better systems), and if we son’t play it, fascism takes over.
A divided left means the right wins.
inb4 “YoU’rE nOt ThE lEfT” memes - that shit is part of the problem and is allowing fascism to take over, so anyone posting that can fuck off with that unhelpful shit.
The other thing we should learn is that primaries matter. Primaries are where you vote for the person you want, general elections are where you vote against the one you don’t.
I agree with pragmatism in elections, but experience has shown that centrist liberals are generally not capable of turning around a drift towards the far right, because they buy into the same economic policies and priorities that make people desperate enough to give the fascists an opportunity. At best, electing a liberal puts the brakes on for a while. The only way to turn it around electorally would be to put up candidates who are very clearly working for the people, and to convince voters that these candidates work for their interests while the fascists serve the oligarchs. Liberals will never do this because they work for the wealthy too.
If you’re hurtling towards disaster, shouldn’t you try the brakes even if you think they aren’t going to work? We can’t move the United States to the left as long as far right authoritarians are being voted into office. Once some stability is established, we can start working towards more progressive policies. If given the chance between voting for the right and voting for the centrist, I’m going to pick the centrist every time. The only alternative is violence, which is a last resort in my mind (and we’re getting awfully fucking close).
Absolutely, that kind of pragmatism and willingness to vote for someone you don’t like is necessary when the stakes are this high. And then continue to apply the pressure for more progressive policies, and continue to organize and engage in progressive politics outside of voting.
no. the game is rigged and it’s time to stop playing by the rules until the rules are enforced fairly. if you think you can vote your way out of the fascism you’re dead fucking wrong.
If we’ve learned anything from 2024, it’s that this won’t fly… Sign needs to say “Looking for Unicorn to run for President, otherwise we’ll get trump again”
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Oh, you must have just been born, or woken up from an 8 year long coma…
Anyway. Donald Trump has become the president… twice, and each time he was running against someone who was notably, not trump.
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You should read and try to understand the whole thread before you reply to it, otherwise you’ll miss important context.
If there’s anything we learned from 2024, it’s that we need to all get behind the same person instead of not voting or voting third party instead. The game sucks, but if we don’t play it, we lose, and if we don’t play it, there’s no working towards getting any other systems in place (ranked tier voting or whatever it’s called, or any if the other even better systems), and if we son’t play it, fascism takes over.
A divided left means the right wins.
inb4 “YoU’rE nOt ThE lEfT” memes - that shit is part of the problem and is allowing fascism to take over, so anyone posting that can fuck off with that unhelpful shit.
The other thing we should learn is that primaries matter. Primaries are where you vote for the person you want, general elections are where you vote against the one you don’t.
Please make sure it isn’t Newsom.
I wouldn’t vote for him in the primary, but if he was the option in the general, I’d vote for him. Compromise is inherent to democracy.
I agree with pragmatism in elections, but experience has shown that centrist liberals are generally not capable of turning around a drift towards the far right, because they buy into the same economic policies and priorities that make people desperate enough to give the fascists an opportunity. At best, electing a liberal puts the brakes on for a while. The only way to turn it around electorally would be to put up candidates who are very clearly working for the people, and to convince voters that these candidates work for their interests while the fascists serve the oligarchs. Liberals will never do this because they work for the wealthy too.
If you’re hurtling towards disaster, shouldn’t you try the brakes even if you think they aren’t going to work? We can’t move the United States to the left as long as far right authoritarians are being voted into office. Once some stability is established, we can start working towards more progressive policies. If given the chance between voting for the right and voting for the centrist, I’m going to pick the centrist every time. The only alternative is violence, which is a last resort in my mind (and we’re getting awfully fucking close).
Absolutely, that kind of pragmatism and willingness to vote for someone you don’t like is necessary when the stakes are this high. And then continue to apply the pressure for more progressive policies, and continue to organize and engage in progressive politics outside of voting.
no. the game is rigged and it’s time to stop playing by the rules until the rules are enforced fairly. if you think you can vote your way out of the fascism you’re dead fucking wrong.