• CircaV@lemmy.ca
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    So did they cancel elections when US invaded Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Nah… but Trump just wants to cancel elections. He is a dictator. Since there’s nothing and no one stopping him - there’s no reason why he won’t just do it. It’s what 70 million Americans wants anyway.

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    4 hours ago

    That’s what this shitfuck does. He ‘jokes’ about an idea, then repeats it until it sounds normal, then does whatever the fuck he wants and nobody does anything about it.

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    Can he have a stroke or massive heart attack or something already? Fucking hell man. Nature never takes the ones it should.

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      Then they 25th Amendment him and install JDV as Thiels hand-picked successor. Somehow speedrunning our way into some weird techno-fascist hellacspe faster than we already are.

      Or he could’ve already had one. Allegedly Reagan was declining for years and the people around him successfully hid it until he was out of office.

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    Meh, just hold one without him. Get an electoral college quorum and move the new guy in because it’s 100% state driven and he can’t change the constitution. Like an old time papacy schism, let God sort it out.

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      he can’t change the constitution

      No, but he’s sure proven that he can ignore it. And the Supreme Court will ultimately back him up. And they’ve already ruled that he can’t be charged with anything illegal he does while president (the courts won’t even punish him for crimes he was convicted of when not POTUS). And even if they don’t rule in his favor he’s shown he’s willing to ignore the courts when they don’t rule in his favor.

      If the cops and military side with him- and there is a good chance the majority in both groups are MAGAts, he’ll just have people participating in the ‘illegal/illegitimate’ elections arrested.

      If he’s still alive in 2028 he will not give up power, I guarantee it.

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        Police maybe. But, from my anecdotal experience in the military, as an infantryman, so not even officer/better educated MOS, the military is surprisingly nuanced. It’s too big of an organization with too many backgrounds to make a statement like that, if you ask me. Granted, I was in during his first presidency, and a lot could have changed, but, you might be surprised the resistance the military would give.

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    Zelenskyy’s comment about war and instability was NOT BEING THE SIDE THAT STARTED THE WAR.

    IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

    anyways, EPSTEIN FILES. WHERE THEY AT?

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      Also America has never really been invaded during an election…at least not its homeland…to any significant extent. The civil war is the best example, but that wasn’t even a foreign enemy. Now if China say invaded the west coast, and cities like Portland, LA, San Diego, etc are solidly in Chinese hands wiht the Chinese moving across the rockies and the President and Congress come along and and collectively go “We think we should pause elections until things get stable”…I’d have a hard time arguing against that.

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      It’s not even that. It’s about what the country’s structure permits. Ukraine doesn’t allow for midwar elections, the us doesn’t allow for skipping them.

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      IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

      It’s really not. Lincoln held midterms in the middle of the Civil War. FDR held elections after Pearl Harbor. Ffs, Bush cleaned up the year after 9/11 and rode the pro-war election wave through 2004.

      The idea that your elected leadership is immune to recall when you’re in a state of war is anathema to democracy. It insulates unpopular leaders and empowers military dictators.

      There is no distinction, save that liberals like Zelensky and hate Trump.

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        It makes a big difference whether the war is in your own country and touches everyone, or if it’s waged elsewhere or touches only a small part of your country.

        US Civil War didn’t have 500 drones flying to various cities across US each day and night. If Ukraine had elections now, there would be queues on the street and those queues would get bombed by the Russia. I don’t think this would have been a risk around the time of Pearl Harbour.

        What is your suggestion for how the elections in Ukraine could be organized safely and so that the result would be reasonably representative?

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          US Civil War didn’t have 500 drones flying to various cities across US each day and night.

          The Confederate Army got as far north as Gettysburg, Pennsylvania by 1863. The Union Army’s Anaconda Plan embargoed the entire Gulf Coast and resulted in the bombardment of cities as far south as New Orleans and Galveston. Sherman’s march wrecked a trail of destruction from Atlanta to Savanah, across 285 miles. They didn’t need remote controlled planes to bombard cities. They had troops outright razing cities to the ground month by month.

          What is your suggestion for how the elections in Ukraine could be organized safely and so that the result would be reasonably representative?

          Do Mail In Voting. That’s the same method we’ve been using in peacetime and wartime, around the planet, for centuries. It worked during COVID in 2020. It worked to end South African Apartheid in 1994. Mail in voting was vital to maintain democracy during mass deployments in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. And, again, in the middle of the US civil war in 1862.

          But, again, this isn’t an issue of whether democracy can work. This is an issue of whether Zelensky can maintain his position as his popularity nosedives. What scares the shit out of American liberals is the idea that a popular vote in Ukraine will reveal people aren’t enthusiastic about another year or three of grinding attrition with the Russians. Ukraine can’t risk having an election that refutes the dogma of the hawks.

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            Of cpurse Zelensky won’t be able to hold his position if his popularity nosedives. That’s a simple answer to a simple question.

            But how is that.relevant? His popularity isn’t going to nosedive in that manner anytime soon.

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    Person 1: I had to steal, my mother is sick! Person 2: Wow maybe I should go stealing things next time my mom is sick too!

    Person 1: “I had to speed because I was late to my meeting.” Person 2: “Great, so it’s okay for everyone to break the law whenever they’re running late?”

    Person 1: “We postponed our elections because we are at war and under martial law” Person 2: “Cool, I hope my country is at war next election season!”

    This kind of retort is called a reductio ad absurdum, and I think you people are missing it because you have such a strong confirmation bias against Trump. The sarcasm is extremely clear. He’s pointing out the absurdity behind Zelensky using martial law to postpone elections by using himself as an example, knowing that that would be a problem and that people would see it that way.

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      The Ukrainian constitution doesn’t allow for wartime elections. What are you on about? It’s not like Zelenskyy is denying rightful elections like Trump is talking about…

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      Are you suggesting that trump is clever and/or witty enough to come up with that on the spot? I find it hard to believe trump would be that clever. And if he was, he would have immediately followed it up with some comment about the “radical democrat [sic] deep state” out to get him.

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      The USA does not have any occupied territories.

      Should Ukraine disenfranchise those areas or leave them open to election tampering from Russia?

      It’s different, and trying to reduce one to the other is the absurd thing.

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      You are clearly not understanding what is going on. America wants what is going on. If he stays in power (he will) half of Americans want him to. No one is gonna stop him. He will never give up as much power as he has, willingly. Americans will not take up arms against him either.

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      You have been at war since the January 6th beerhall putsch attempt. It’s just that one side didn’t realise and didn’t even put your new dictator into a luxury prison first before letting him get re-elected. Rookie mistake honestly.

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      yea, you know just like how he “joked” about rounding up brown people, or cut most people’s medical aid, or destroy the american soft power.

      you know, just funny things he would totally never ever do, because that would mean his voters are retarded.

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        guys guys he’s just joshing around. he’s not actually gonna use the world’s most notoriously influential military power to invade mexico or greenland when the economy fails and he needs to steal a bunch of shit to prop it up. those invasion plans theyre planning are just for funzies trust me bro