So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…
This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.
evidently Palantir wasn’t able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.
They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
Those are not contrary, but complementary things.
Yea so you quit taking badly about the pedophiles in government.
That’s because we are dangerous (to the rich’s interests)
Yes. I suspect this is all because we successfully arrested Epstein.
They worry we won’t actually stand for their kidnapping and raping our kids, unless they strengthen their grip.
That would require them to arrest themselves, because everyone in the roles that deal with that are themselves pedophiles.
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to “verify” user age pretending they care about children. Profit.
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
I think this is not an accident.
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And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I wonder how much of the down voting stems from people seeing “let me parent my own kids” as being tied to conservative propaganda used to support anti-woke bills in places like Florida.
I haven’t a clue.
The context of when I posted it was on a comic about “I’d do anything for my kids except listen to them talk about what they enjoy”.
How else are you supposed to figure what kind of stupid nonsense they’re getting up to. Anytime I see my kids focused on almost anything I’ll ask “what’re you working on?”
How dare you be present! That’s just going to result in emotionally grounded adults with a sense of belonging.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
Why not both?
I fully expect the government to pull this shit, but I’ll parent my kids not to tolerate it.
The government is there to give us the tools to parent our kids, not to actually parent them. Give us free and open internet, but have training on how to be a diligent parent.
This has absolutely nothing to do with kids
It has nothing to do with kids it’s just an excuse to push more surveillance
“Parents Decide Act”
Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol
that’s just another American Value, naming bills as sarcastically and ironcally as possible
A tradition that started with bill of “rights.”
In fact this is the opposite of parents deciding. Parents can already decide.
What if you are not even a parent!
Exactly
As a parent I am deciding not to comply.
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
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“and for other purposes” umm
I was reading a list of bills and whatnot from March the other day. They all say “and for other purposes” they all say that
This one literally just tacks it at the end of the proposal. As it gives no purposes other than “and for other”
yeah, I was following up on a bill introduced by one of me senators and was poking around this website https://www.govtrack.us/
I dont know why, but every bill has this phrase written at the end of it. It is ominous, and I dont know why theyre written this way, probablt some legal bullshit.
Its the same reason even traffic laws are written ambiguosly. It gives everyone from cops to senators the ability to do what they want and then get away with it.
Tell your reps that this bill doesn’t get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.
Disgusting. This is my representative, I unfortunately voted him in.
Our president is a pedophile and we still get the “for the children” bullshit. How about making a law requiring tracking the data on the Epstein class phones instead?
I sent a letter to him, hopefully enough people do.
Lately, it seems like bottles of incendiary liquid are the vogue medium of communication, rather than sternly-worded letters. I think it’s like toggling that “flag as urgent” setting on an email.
To paraphrase someone:
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
Anyone thinking that this won’t pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year… They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time…
Eventually it’ll pass, it always does. All they need is patience
The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.
We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.
Never give up.
we’re due for a modern re-framing on rights and personal autonomy.
but we might need to design it fully as local coops and roll over the epstein-class in order to get it enshrined.
if you let them change it, they’ll, (as obtusely as possible,) re-phrase everything to not actually accomplish what it was supposed to.
we need big changes, and we need them yesterday, because the future is here and it’s fucking us all up. the only people with the time and social placement to affect change are the ones that have been coddled into that position through either nepotism or corporate interest. yadda.
still need voter reform… hopefully the next people voted in specifically on voter reform don’t just go “oops actually we weren’t for that at all, hee hee.” (canadian liberal party are also just the backup conservatives i guess)
and my god, there should be some accountability for directly lying to and misleading the voter base. the number of USA politicians i see that can’t answer a fucking question is embarrassing to anyone thinking they don’t live in a fascist state.
like, those promises, or statements, or blatant intentional incompetence should come with some form of accountability. if i fuck up too many lattes i have to live on the street, but politicians can laugh in your face after doing fuckall and taking your money.
generally anyone willing to take a position of power to hugely affect all of our lives and well being should be scared shitless for betraying their voters so blatantly.
more than anything we just need a whole new damned system which is built on modern science and not hundred years ancient aristocracy. it is possible. the only reason it doesn’t seem feasible is that the people with power and influence have been spending a weird amount of their excess ensuring that the system doesn’t enable or benefit anyone outside of the epstein class.
yadda yadda rant rant, i’m tired.
The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.
Our constitution? They’ve got that thing hanging from a nail in the shithouse.
This is how the democrats lose the next election.
GJ snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Again
Unfortunately, nobody really cares about this shit either way. No chance this costs dems an election, especially considering support for age verification laws have generally been bipartisan.
this is one of the examples of how electoralism can only ever give us some breathing room, but never our full liberation. even a “good” politician is still a politician. they may have entered government to reshape government, but eventually working in government will reshape them.
i encourage others to work to get the best possible politicians into positions of power, but to also work on coagulating people power in order to topple those same positions of power. here are some things you can do:
- organize a union
- learn first aid
- participate in mutual aid projects
- become acquainted with self defense and community defense mechanisms
- learn about reducing your digital footprint at protests
Liberation comes at the end of a gun.
You’re a bad person for pointing this out. /s
I disagree with all of you. Now that our benevolent theocratic autocratic overlords have decided to track everything we say and do and escape is impossible, I completely support their brave new dystopian agenda. All hail the wonderful leaders!
I see there was no need for “/s” because you are absolutely serious and genuine. A fine example, comrade. Fine example.
God’s grace, the supreme leader!
