Here’s an outside perspective: Regardless of who is in the White House, the U.S. forces other countries under its thumb - using the tools of predatory capitalism, which is represented by the political parties in the U.S. no matter who’s in office. For the rest of the world, the only difference is whether this happens openly, as it does now, or is nicely disguised, as was the case with an eloquent president like Obama.
So there is just as little of an alternative for the world as there is for US citizens. Of course, we would like to see someone in power in the US with whom one can at least somewhat reason, but in essence it makes hardly any difference.
This is the reality for the world and also for US citizens.
Naturally, in this system, the logical response is to vote for the Democrats because they are the lesser evil.
However, that does not solve the fundamental problem for anyone. The problem lies in the fact that the US is by no means a democracy, as it is portrayed through Hollywood and all that.
The US is an oligarchic system very similar to today’s Russia. These are simply facts.
Posts like this don’t change the facts: If US citizens want a life worth living, there is simply no way around overthrowing the existing system.
It’s that simple, because even the U.S. Constitution, which was drafted with slave-holding states in mind, stands in the way of democracy.
What I’m saying here is simply reinforced by the fact that in the richest country in the world, there are no social benefits whatsoever, as are more than common in all democracies.
Edit: Since this comment is once again being downvoted simply for stating the facts. The answer is not violence, but mass civil disobedience by U.S. citizens. Together, they would have the power to put a stop to their billionaire rulers. Tomorrow, there is even a symbolic one-day general strike planned - but unfortunately, that is not enough: there must be a general strike by the citizens that lasts until the oligarchy is overcome. This is not utopian, but feasible, if only enough people understand that the U.S. system logically leads only further and further toward what it is constitutionally designed to do.
i like the perspective. the system favors the wealthy class and the U.S is just too big. if it were the size of nyc or texas, maybe. but the coordination required is impossible for the “rebellion”. the U.S is becoming a straight up surveillance state and it’ll be more difficult as time goes on.
it also politically divided in 2 camps by design and by troll farms, thats why you cant have the whole country do an uprising unlike most other countries. when you have one side that is totally complicit(republicans) turns out Rs dont like to ruffle the feathers so to speak thats why they dont protest, or make noise to enact change.
The existing model assumes politicians will play fair, it never accounted for parties gaming the justice system, presidents ignoring the constitution or politicians being bought by foreign interests. There are no checks and balances if they can just be ignored. It’s a platform for fascism.
The only independent branch of the US that could possibly make the changes necessary to remake America is the military at this point. Political financing means democrats have too much to lose to re-orient the system back to the people.
Citizens united should have triggered it but trump has made it an immediate priority.
The billionaires behind trump should be completely asset stripped so none of them every try another business plot
“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.” - George Washington
Should have diluted the influence of political parties by getting rid of First-past-the-post voting and making 3rd parties viable without a spoiler effect.
Dont worry blue conservatives, you’ve will get the opportunity to earn your incremental change. When we become a one party state, you can still compete in Republican primaries! Shouldn’t be a problem right?
You say the only difference is openly or not, but there is very clearly a huge degree of severity difference to this problem with anyone else vs Trump. And a notable one between Democrats and Republicans.
Your problem is “zero plan”, “reckless”, etc. Just vindicated my point.
And being tankie is the logical position, liberalism has killed thousands of innocent people in imperialism. Liberalism is a genocidal illogical ideology.
Fuck off. Tell that to New Yorkers who beat the entrenched elites and elected a genuine democratic socialist.
The only thing you’re doing is agreeing with the people who do not want it to be a democracy and convincing people you mostly agree with to not vote and let the worse candidate get into a position of power.
Obviously things could be a lot better. But quitting the whole system and letting it become worse is counterproductive as hell.
If the U.S. had a majority voting system, it would never be possible for the U.S. to have the government it does. Unfortunately, however, this is a fact. So I can only say: Fuck off - I obviously know more about how the U.S. political system works than you do - and I’m not even a U.S. citizen.
Please don’t get me wrong: It’s great that New York has the mayor it does. But put that in a global context: In Europe, Mamdani would be a moderate centrist politician, by no means a radical leftist.
democratic socialism is moderate wing of fascism. Mamdani hasnt spoken a single word about palestine after becoming mayor, he calls cuba and venezuela dictatorial regimes to justify invasion. Fuck him.
The US system was designed by the wealthy, for the wealthy. This isn’t unusual though as the rest of the world is run this way as well. Giving lip service to the population while doing whatever they want is a consistent theme across all of Europe and the entire world for that matter.
I think you can look at the wealth gap as the greatest indicator. Every single country is currently increasing this gap. The wealthy are in control.
All I get from this post is that you’re a Russian bot account, copaid by the Chinese government, to foment a grassroots movement in favor of Trump on the highly influential and much sought after (in intelligence circles) platform “Lemmy”. And that you think that both sides are the same.
Here’s an outside perspective: Regardless of who is in the White House, the U.S. forces other countries under its thumb - using the tools of predatory capitalism, which is represented by the political parties in the U.S. no matter who’s in office. For the rest of the world, the only difference is whether this happens openly, as it does now, or is nicely disguised, as was the case with an eloquent president like Obama.
So there is just as little of an alternative for the world as there is for US citizens. Of course, we would like to see someone in power in the US with whom one can at least somewhat reason, but in essence it makes hardly any difference.
This is the reality for the world and also for US citizens.
Naturally, in this system, the logical response is to vote for the Democrats because they are the lesser evil.
However, that does not solve the fundamental problem for anyone. The problem lies in the fact that the US is by no means a democracy, as it is portrayed through Hollywood and all that.
The US is an oligarchic system very similar to today’s Russia. These are simply facts.
Posts like this don’t change the facts: If US citizens want a life worth living, there is simply no way around overthrowing the existing system.
It’s that simple, because even the U.S. Constitution, which was drafted with slave-holding states in mind, stands in the way of democracy.
What I’m saying here is simply reinforced by the fact that in the richest country in the world, there are no social benefits whatsoever, as are more than common in all democracies.
Edit: Since this comment is once again being downvoted simply for stating the facts. The answer is not violence, but mass civil disobedience by U.S. citizens. Together, they would have the power to put a stop to their billionaire rulers. Tomorrow, there is even a symbolic one-day general strike planned - but unfortunately, that is not enough: there must be a general strike by the citizens that lasts until the oligarchy is overcome. This is not utopian, but feasible, if only enough people understand that the U.S. system logically leads only further and further toward what it is constitutionally designed to do.
i like the perspective. the system favors the wealthy class and the U.S is just too big. if it were the size of nyc or texas, maybe. but the coordination required is impossible for the “rebellion”. the U.S is becoming a straight up surveillance state and it’ll be more difficult as time goes on.
it also politically divided in 2 camps by design and by troll farms, thats why you cant have the whole country do an uprising unlike most other countries. when you have one side that is totally complicit(republicans) turns out Rs dont like to ruffle the feathers so to speak thats why they dont protest, or make noise to enact change.
The US needs a new constitution and a new model
The existing model assumes politicians will play fair, it never accounted for parties gaming the justice system, presidents ignoring the constitution or politicians being bought by foreign interests. There are no checks and balances if they can just be ignored. It’s a platform for fascism.
The only independent branch of the US that could possibly make the changes necessary to remake America is the military at this point. Political financing means democrats have too much to lose to re-orient the system back to the people.
Citizens united should have triggered it but trump has made it an immediate priority.
The billionaires behind trump should be completely asset stripped so none of them every try another business plot
“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.” - George Washington
Should have diluted the influence of political parties by getting rid of First-past-the-post voting and making 3rd parties viable without a spoiler effect.
Dont worry blue conservatives, you’ve will get the opportunity to earn your incremental change. When we become a one party state, you can still compete in Republican primaries! Shouldn’t be a problem right?
You say the only difference is openly or not, but there is very clearly a huge degree of severity difference to this problem with anyone else vs Trump. And a notable one between Democrats and Republicans.
not really if you are outside of america, no
Being outside america doesn’t suddenly make republicans better or democrats worse.
their foreign policy is literally same
Yes all presidents burn bridges with allies and start wars with literally zero plan.
Literally all presidents damage the global economy recklessly
Literally all presidents threaten to invade an ally on the regular.
Yeah great point tankie.
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You may not have the best “both sides” argument if you need to go back over 50 years
Read your own comment.
Your problem is “zero plan”, “reckless”, etc. Just vindicated my point.
And being tankie is the logical position, liberalism has killed thousands of innocent people in imperialism. Liberalism is a genocidal illogical ideology.
Apparently you don’t understand sarcasm. And no there’s nothing logical about embracing an authoritarian government, quite the opposite.
the govt that resists western imperialism is authoritarian according you, this is a meaningless word
Fuck off. Tell that to New Yorkers who beat the entrenched elites and elected a genuine democratic socialist.
The only thing you’re doing is agreeing with the people who do not want it to be a democracy and convincing people you mostly agree with to not vote and let the worse candidate get into a position of power.
Obviously things could be a lot better. But quitting the whole system and letting it become worse is counterproductive as hell.
If the U.S. had a majority voting system, it would never be possible for the U.S. to have the government it does. Unfortunately, however, this is a fact. So I can only say: Fuck off - I obviously know more about how the U.S. political system works than you do - and I’m not even a U.S. citizen.
Please don’t get me wrong: It’s great that New York has the mayor it does. But put that in a global context: In Europe, Mamdani would be a moderate centrist politician, by no means a radical leftist.
We’re getting pretty close to an effectively popular vote-based system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
That was a city mayoral election. I guess NYC is indeed a democracy. The United States of America is not.
NYC still has a ton of money in politics. NYC still uses first past the post for its general election of their mayor.
Systemically, there are parallels to the rest of the country. The same shit could happen at the national levels.
Its a deeply flawed democracy, with mechanisms to strengthen land owning and wealthy. But it still holds real democratic potential
democratic socialism is moderate wing of fascism. Mamdani hasnt spoken a single word about palestine after becoming mayor, he calls cuba and venezuela dictatorial regimes to justify invasion. Fuck him.
How do piefed comments always manage to be worse than .world comments lol
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Please leave the internet and come back after you grow up.
The US system was designed by the wealthy, for the wealthy. This isn’t unusual though as the rest of the world is run this way as well. Giving lip service to the population while doing whatever they want is a consistent theme across all of Europe and the entire world for that matter.
I think you can look at the wealth gap as the greatest indicator. Every single country is currently increasing this gap. The wealthy are in control.
Im glad it’s so easy. Thanks for writing it down. We all appreciate it.
Thats a lotta words but did you see Godric’s funny pictures?
I unfortunately learned all of this after I voted for Harris and with what I know now I regret my vote and should’ve went with PSL
Pumpkin spice latte?
should go for greens, atleast they have a shot even tho I dont like some stuff about them.
And which party being elected would have made this “overthrowing” easier?
All I get from this post is that you’re a Russian bot account, copaid by the Chinese government, to foment a grassroots movement in favor of Trump on the highly influential and much sought after (in intelligence circles) platform “Lemmy”. And that you think that both sides are the same.
Everyone knows that the key to Americans’ hearts is dominate shitposting on lemmy
LAMAO
Found him.