• panthera_@lemmy.today
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    11 hours ago

    Europe and Ukraine should realize that Trump cannot be trusted. Europe should negotiate with Putin regarding Ukraine.

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      11 hours ago

      Europe knows what the situation is. There is a delicate balance happening right now.

      Europe is hoping America gets its shit together in 2 years and isn’t looking to prematurely burn any bridges.

      The US is still ostensibly on the side of NATO and Ukraine, and can’t openly turn traitorous without consequence.

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        7 minutes ago

        The treachery could be in secret. Trump and Putin could be making secret agreements. Trump is already moving troops out of Europe. Europe has to move away from Trump.

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        3 hours ago

        Since the orange chancre is obviously Putin’s puppet, with massive evidence already in the open to the point that we even know his KGB codename and this departing ambassador has cited that specifically as her reason for leaving, it seems clear why the US has not just quit NATO no matter how many times Trump has said he was wanted to quit NATO or was even planning to quit NATO.

        The bottom line is that if the US leaves NATO, the US loses its ability to keep Ukraine out. This is extremely important to Putin, and has been all along, to the point of Putin demanding “legal guarantees” that Ukraine would never join NATO.

        So instead of leaving NATO outright, Putin’s stooge in the White House is doing everything he can to destabilize and weaken NATO – and keep Ukraine forced out – without ever actually giving up his own ability to manipulate it on Putin’s ongoing behalf.

      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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        3 hours ago

        The American people elected Donald Trump twice, and before that they gave two terms to George W. Bush. If they “get their shit together in 2 years” it’ll just be another brief reprieve before the next fascist.

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        8 hours ago

        I don’t think this is true. I think that Europe is trying to separate its interests from the USA as quickly as it can without causing pain for European countries or inviting retaliation from the US.

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          26 minutes ago

          I think Europe is preparing for the worst, but hoping for it not to happen.

          But as an European, I appreciate the effort being made into becoming more sovereign.

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      8 hours ago

      Your moronic comment failed to take into account that Trump and Putin are the same. If you negotiate with one you negotiate with the other. But that was of course your moronic intention.

    • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 hours ago

      Putin only understands force. Any negotiation will be violated just like the deal Ukraine had to give up their nukes was violated by Russia and now the US.

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        12 minutes ago

        Possibly. This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

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        36 minutes ago

        Negociations will still need to happen in case Russia lose and have to accept to not attack Ukraine again.