• merc@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s amazing how many names for things come from a different era. Even “movies” is from “moving pictures” which is how they described a new thing in terms of an old familiar thing, pictures. Also “film” comes from a thin coating of chemical gel on glass photographic plates, which evolved to mean the coating plus the plastic once photography moved from glass plates to flexible plastic rolls. Also, why do we “shoot” movies?

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      Seconds is one of the weirdest to me.

      “Minute” comes from Latin: pars minuta prima, meaning ‘first small part’, i.e. first division of the hour – dividing it into sixty, and “second” comes from pars minuta secunda, ‘second small part’, dividing again into sixty.

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      I’m going to guess that shooting comes from pointing the camera at something and pulling a trigger to start, which with the old hardware wasn’t dissimilar to the steps to shoot a machine gun except slightly quieter.

      After typing that out I checked and it looks like I guessed right!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_(filmmaking)

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        Photography used to involve aiming a device by looking down a sight, removing a cap from a barrel (the lens cap from the lens housing), and exploding flash powder to adequately light the scene.

        I’d imagine many described it as feeling like facing a firing squad

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        Interesting then if the term “shot” comes from motion pictures but slipped “backwards” to include still pictures, which had a completely different mechanism.

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          Original flash photography involved burning gunpowder on time with the shutter. Not dissimilar from being shot at. If anything it is more fitting, regardless of where it was used first. Also, video camera shutters sound awfully a lot like machine guns, and the first ones where cranked exactly libe early machine guns with a side handle.

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          The earliest cameras had no real “mechanism.” You would prepare a plate, often still wet with chemicals, load it into the camera, bring the camera out of the dark room, set up your subject, who would have to hold still for minutes at a time, and then just…take off the lens cap.

          Because what’s the point of an automatic shutter when it takes minutes of exposure to get a viewable image?

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            Who knows when the term “shot” was first used though.

            Also, at no point did still cameras use a hand crank, which is apparently what made early motion picture cameras look like early machine guns.

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              I could probably come up with a still camera with a crank. Manual cameras, those without a motor to advance the film, would have a knob of some sort so that the photographer could advance to the next frame of film. For retracting the film back into the cartridge when the roll is done, many cameras have a little crank that folds out of the knob for quickly rewinding. But yes you don’t turn a crank to take pictures like with an old timey movie camera.

              Since we’re talking about ye olde timey vocabulareye that became obsolete but still stuck, achieving the effect of everything moving unusually fast or unusually slow was called undercranking or overcranking respectively.

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        my experience, it’s not so much a gun trigger as it is a thumb trigger. at least that was our setup. really fun to use with a 35mm doing stop motion

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      One of the most prolific is canna, which is Latin for reed, tube, or pipe. Turns out you can get a LOT of mileage from that meaning:

      Cane: Referring to the plant, walking stick, or slender rod.

      Canal: An artificial waterway, from the Latin canalis (pipe/groove).

      Channel: A conduit or passage.

      Cannon: From Italian cannone, meaning “large tube”.

      Canon: A rule or standard (originally from a reed used as a measuring stick).

      Cannibal: Historically connected to this root through a complex path involving “Carib”.

      Cannister / Canister: A container, often cylindrical.

      Cannula: A small tube for insertion into the body.

      Canyon: Derived via Spanish cañón (tube/pipe).

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        Cannoli: Sicilian pastries consisting of a tube-shaped shell of fried pastry dough, filled with a sweet and creamy filling containing ricotta cheese.

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        Also, “channel” and “canal” are the result of borrowing the same French word (chanel) at two different times (this happened with many words). In Middle English most words were stressed the first syllable, so chanel became “channel”, then by the time it was borrowed again, chanel kept the same French stress on the last syllable and became “canal”.

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        Yeah, that one changed within my lifetime. It’s interesting how “rolling” is even in there.

        Say the very first car windows had been electric. It wouldn’t be called rolling down because there was no “rolling” mechanism. But, we probably wouldn’t call it “powering down” or “buttoning down”. We’d probably just say something like “lowering the window”. So… why did whoever coined that term decide to include “rolling” in the name? Especially because you still need the “up” and “down”. You can’t just “roll the window”.

        You also “dial” a phone number, even though the mechanism for choosing the phone number hasn’t been a dial in decades. But, at least in that case there wasn’t an obvious name for the process of entering a phone number into the system. A car window just goes up and down, why should it matter if it’s done with a rolling mechanism or a button? Even though you turn a knob to open a door, you don’t “doorknob open” it or “handle shut” the door. You also raise or lower an anchor, you don’t “crank the ank”, even though that would be cooler to say.

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          I suppose if the first windows were electric, they might have just said “open the window”

          For the phone dial, I suppose we could say “key in the number” rather than “dial the number.” Of course with cell phone touch screens they aren’t even physical keys anymore. Though in UI framework terminology, I suppose they aren’t even physical usually still referred to as buttons. Though you don’t “button in the number.”

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            And while “button” is a verb, it’s used for the original “button” which was a device on clothing used to hold two pieces together. Electronic “buttons” were just named because they resembled these things people were used to on clothing.

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        Makes sense. Also even without that, the camera had a tube-type thing that you aimed at someone, then you pushed a button or pulled a lever that was pretty similar to a trigger. Still seems a bit weird because you’re not sending anything towards your target, you’re just taking in some light from that direction. But if you add the big “boom” from the chemical flash, I guess it seems like a gun.