• mastod0n@lemmy.world
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    In a self-aware sense it’s kinda funny how much this rubs me the wrong way after the correct way was hammered into me as a kid.

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    God fucking damnit.

    I get that this is a joke, and it is a good joke, but guns will fucking kill you if you are fucking stupid.

    The actual original image, because I don’t want any of you goobers to blow your own balls off, or accidentally cap your friend or neighbor:

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    Wanna hear something dumb? Not even a sarcastic joke: If you have a loaded revolver with a cocked hammer, and you want to unload it, you must pull the trigger.

    Reductive to say it that way, but basically the cylinder locks while the hammer is back, and most hammers won’t move once in position. Ultimately, the trigger’s job is specifically to release the hammer - just normally resulting in a violent impact with the bullet. If the hammer is being tightly held, or even blocked with one’s full hand, the weapon won’t go off.

    I don’t own a gun, but I remember it because it’s the stupidest gun fact I’ve learned.

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      Yes, this is where the term ‘half-cocked’ comes from.

      It varies with double action (DA) revolvers, but basically all single action (SA) revolvers work like:

      You pull the hammer half way back, to half cocked, to revolve the cylinder.

      You pull the hammer fully back, to fully cocked, for the trigger to be able to loose the hammer and thus fire the bullet.

      So, if you are ‘walking around half cocked’, that means you are literally carrying around your weapon in a state where it is easier to fully cock and then fire it, (because you literally dont have to pull the hammer as far to get it to fully cocked), thus it implies you’re basically ready / looking for a fight.


      To de cock a fully cocked SA revolver, you pull the hammer back even further than fully cocked, press lightly on the trigger, and then carefully lower the hammer to rest position.

      This kind of action mechanism is also what allows ‘fanning’ to be possible:

      You just pull the trigger slightly, (the trigger has multiple stages), and then fan the hammer / fully pull the trigger.

      Each full ‘fan’ of the hammer will bring it to fully cocked, and because your finger is now fully pulling the trigger, the hammer will immediately fall and thus fire. The fanning also of course pulls the hammer past half cocked, so the cylinder is revolving one click each time as well.

      (At least this is my understanding of how one does ‘fanning’, I may be slightly wrong in some way, I’ve never fanned a revolver myself as it is… basically just a kind of trick shooting that is very much not recommended for a typical shooter)


      Now… with double action (DA) revolvers, this is different.

      Because with a double action, a full pull of the trigger basically pulls the hammer back as well, instead of you having to do that with your thumb.

      So as you are pulling the trigger, you get to half cocked, revolving the cylinder, then fully cocked, which also is the point where the hammer is let to fall and thus fire the weapon.

      It can get even more complicated with SA/DA, where its kinda both at the same time… there are different variations with different specific procedures for de cocking different kinds and models of revolvers.

      And, you can get even more complicated than that, with say the Chiappa Rhino, or the Mateba Semi Auto Revolver.


      So basically, broadly, you’re not wrong / mostly generally right, but its even more complicated and depends on the specific kind of revolver you have.

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      it’s probably really cheap and reliable to build it that way? that’s what i always assume when i hear “dumb” design for some products

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    The first one is correct in an odd roundabout way. You can tell if the weapon is loaded by its weight. If the weapon has any weight whatsoever, i.e. it exists, it is treated as if it is loaded. Is there a weapon on the ground in front of you? It’s loaded. Have you been holding it for a while? It’s loaded. Did you clear it then put it on the ground and walk away for a bit? Surprise! It’s magically loaded again.

    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      The always loaded thing is to also teach you to not treat it flippantly. That you keep cognizant of where it’s pointing at all times and never at someone without intention to shoot them. Even if it’s a semi-auto with the magazine out, slide back, chamber empty you still treat that like a loaded gun.

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        During my service, the first rule was extended: “every weapon must be regarded as loaded, until you ensured it isn’t”

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          During my service the rule was pretty clear that any assembled weapon is always treated as loaded, regardless how many people have checked it. Part of the idea was that no matter how sure you are that your weapon is clear, there’s no way for me to be sure, and if you ever muzzle-swipe me you can bet your ass I’m not taking any chances on whether it’s clear. So basically, if the weapon is assembled, it’s loaded. Always.

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              Aha, then I understand! In my training, a “clear” drill was always concluded by firing in a safe direction (e.g. the ground), so I would regard that trigger pull as the conclusion of the clearing drill, not as “treating the weapon as unloaded”. The point of that step was exactly the mentality that “You just cleared the weapon, so obviously you should treat it as loaded and fire a shot into the ground to re-check that you actually cleared it”.

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      Unironically there’s training where they show trainees 2fps videos of people quick-drawing on cops, and they don’t pass until they shoot the frame the person reaches in a pocket, since theres zero frames between seeing a gun and getting shot.

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        That’s the old training videos, from the woke Obama years. Now they’re just shown videos of black men with their hands up, women driving cars, and kids with their backs turned. If it’s an irate white dude with an AR you de-escalate. Unless that dude looks like he’s gay or possibly a pale Mexican.

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    Verify if the firearm is loaded by checking for a bullet while looking down the barrel. Optionally, ask a friend for help, just point it towards them for a quick check.

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      You should probably look down the barrel as you do, so you can watch whether a bullet comes out, right? Otherwise you might miss it.

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        Simply press your thumb on the muzzle, this will stop the bullet from coming all the way out. This way you won’t lose it and can reuse it later.

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      Be careful with that method, it can yield false results if the weapon is loaded, but not cocked. Better make sure to cock it first before pulling the trigger. Same applies when the safety is on.

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    Yeah, I recommend pointing a gun at police, that solves the problem real quick