This is clear evidence that if the opposition party fights, they can win. I’m heartbroken that it’s taken this much suffering of people with little political defense to show an example but we’ve made it.
I pray to whatever thing(/s) that might be out there that Democrats will take this example and fight like an opposition party should going forward.
Even if it’s selfishly motivated. This strategy will get you votes. See the republicans actions for the past decades
Blue states should go ahead with plans to redistrict regardless of what happens. Play for the political landscape you have, not the political landscape you want. The way maps are already gerrymandered nets Republicans 16 seats in the House.
CA is.
CA, if passed, will only be triggered IF a republican state goes ahead. At least that’s how I understand it.
Correct. That said, I’ve yet to see the actual text that is being proposed. I’m having a hard time finding that.
I think it’s still being drafted, to be ready for a special election.
Blue States simply won’t do this, because they are not part of a coherent national political project.
They’ll bluff and then hope Republicans fold.
I bet CA goes through.
They’re proposing some conditional logic in their legislation. If others do ____, then CA does ____.
If the other states do nothing, then CA does nothing.
They’re proposing some conditional logic in their legislation. If others do ____, then CA does ____.
Ah, yes. They’re modeling it after the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, another famously effective piece of collaborative interstate legislation.
If the other states do nothing, then CA does nothing.
States have been gerrymandering themselves since the 17th century. Texas already pulled this out-of-cycle redistricting shit as recently as 2003, ffs. Its already happened. All the CA Dems are managing in this is to make clear that they’re bluffing.
One of those things triggers after a bunch of states fight long hard battles to update their constitutions. The other one triggers as soon as a single opponent gerrymanders.
It’s also worth noting that CA has only been free of gerrymanders for a little over a decade. The’ve gerrymandered before and they can do it again.
The other one triggers as soon as a single opponent gerrymanders.
Again, the gerrymandering happened two decades ago. This is mopping up.
I’m hoping that, with the dismal polling for Democrats, the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.
Maybe I’ll kick the Hopium habit if/when we’re no longer conspicuously moving toward a dictatorship.
I am just super not excited with the new rhetoric you guys are already having about Gavin Newsom being awesome. Newsom has been pretty not awesome for a long time and I fear liberals are going to want to back him in the next election because of this crap.
To be clear, I think he’s in the right on this issue.
I’m very lukewarm on Newsom, and sincerely hope he’s never a Democrat candidate for president. That said, griping about his shortcomings when he’s on the cusp of doing the right thing is counterproductive.
Toward? Um…
Don’t know how to tell you this, but the guy making the rounds on conservative podcasts probably isn’t who you want leading the Democrats
There is no point in preaching to the already locked-in. You need to find converts in enemy territory.
I didn’t say I want him to lead the democrats, I said I want him to gerrymander California.
Why is that a bad thing? Should Democrats stay in their echo chamber and Republicans stay in theirs?
It’s a bad thing because they’re doing it to pander to conservatives, not challenge their beliefs. Folks like Sanders, AOC and Mandami are welcome to go on conservative talk shows, but neolibs need to fuck off.
This whole 'reach across the aisle"schtick that the Democrats have been doing for the past 30 years clearly isn’t working, and has only dragged the country further and further to the right. He doesn’t go out and challenge their views, he tells them why they are gonna love what he has planned for the future.
the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.
They’re recognizing they need to cuddle up to TPUSA and the AIPAC lobby. Hence Newsom’s choice of podcast guests.
CA is moving ahead. It will be on a special election ballot in November.
Newsom “called for” a ballot item to answer whether the state legislature should begin to form a committee to consider redrawing districts by… 202(?) Some legislators think they have enough votes to put the item on the ballot. No official word on what that ballot item to tell the legislature to begin the process will look like, of course. And there’s ample opportunity for Republicans to run a bunch of negative ads, for the courts to interfere, and for the national legislature to intercede.
So they’ve telegraphed a punch two years in advance, while their opposition has tanks camped out in LA for over a month.
But that’s how this stuff starts. Someone gets the ball rolling, and that’s what happened yesterday.
The wise man plants a tree knowing he may never rest under its shade.
The best time for California to redistrict itself was 2006. The second best time is now, not ten years from now.
they’re all gonna pick-up permanent surveillance courtesy of pissbaby abbott, as soon they set foot back in texas (if they don’t already have that, wherever they are). then another special session will be called, these rebellious democrats will be denied their constitutional right of free travel between the states, and the house gains 5+ more maga nutcases.
While we’re reading the tea leaves, what happens next?
Still a bunch of genocide supporters but ill admit im surprised they actually did something more than A Strongly Worded Letter®
Nooooooo Democrats are the woooorrrrst! There’s no way I’d vote for them next November when almost everything is on the line again!
I can only presume you prefer horizontal stripes on your camp uniform, then?
Ohhh nooo how could I not vote for genocide lite!
Like it or not, abstaining from voting or voting in the general election for a party that is something other than ‘genocide-lite’ will be an effective vote for ‘genocide-heavy.’
Vote HOWEVER you wish in the primary, but please vote carefully in the general.
You’d rather let the other side win that will outright allow for the extermination of every Palestinian then? Grow up and quit being a piss baby.
How’s it working out?
*crickets*
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