• codydodd@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    First Nations are amongst the most pro crown, pro-supreme court of Canada, pro-court groups in Canada because they have relentlessly pursued justice through court cases and have slowly established a strong predicent.

    98% of First Nations voted to stay in Canada during Quebecs last referendum and the Albertan chiefs have flat out rejected leaving their relationship with the crown behind.

    You are right the past is riddled with genocide and violence but Canada and its relationship as well as constitutional status of first nations has grown tremendously.

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      21 hours ago

      First Nations are amongst the most pro crown, pro-supreme court of Canada, pro-court groups in Canada because they have relentlessly pursued justice through court cases and have slowly established a strong predicent.

      Knowing how to operate within a system of oppression doesn’t mean it’s supported. How else would they be fighting for their rights?

      Maybe I misunderstood and there is another reason you are saying there is broad support for these institutions.

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          18 hours ago

          I did read the other replies, but held out hope I was missing something.

          I have no idea how someone could read the Recommendations of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and say such things. I am being generous and assuming all canadians who would speak on the relationship have read it.

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            18 hours ago

            I am going to be honest, I don’t think settlers deserve that kind of grace. Most of them are rewarded for being ignorant on this topic both because it keeps them politically unmotivated to challenge the state, and because it appeals to their desire for comfort with the morality of this way of life; which a gracious reading of this person’s comments would exemplify.

            Most Canadians don’t want to be bad people, and so presume that they’d only be a bad person if they started wanting to be without ever considering if they are one passively. Unsurprisingly, this also means many or most make sense of colonialism with the language and knowledge that colonialism has given them, which leads to the sort of appropriation and colonization this thread emblemizes.

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      Yes, that is a form of colonization, that is not because they subscribe to “Canadian values.” They don’t “support” the crown, they are forced to navigate this legal system and maintain the precedent they have because the state would kill them faster otherwise. You know you’re wrong when you say that is in the past too, or are you also going to pretend that you don’t know about mining runoffs, intentional ecological destruction, or the fucking suicide rate of children in First Nations communities?

      What a disgusting, bootlicking distortion you just made. This doesn’t feel like ignorance, it sounds like you’re actually trying to warp this reality in support of their continued genocide. And look how many dipshits in this community who upvoted it; bloodthirsty and spineless people.

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        You are also stealing their voice. There are tens of thousands of indigenous who do identify as Canadian and you are not allowing any of that.

        Navigating legal systems is what we all have to do. I would argue the crime of neoliberalism is just as damning to the human journey and all souls are forced to navigate this too. The only way to fight colonialism and neoliberalism is through realism.

        Also, many chiefs openly argue they willing decided to side with the crown to get recognized as sovereigns because they seen the long term value. You are stealing their voice too and infantalizing them.

        Edit: to underscore the irony and realism: First Nations in Quebec and Alberta have made the case that their status and relationship with the crown protects them from republican separatism as Quebec and Alberta offer little assurances they would recognize their sovereignty.

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          Oh, you’d argue something? I’d love it if you could fucking provide even four books on this topic that you used to construct your “argument.”

          You even know who Patrick Wolfe is? What settler-colonialism is? I know you don’t give a shit about whether you infantalize people. Best case scenario here is that you are just ignorant, think “I’m not bad,” is a reasonable basis for your understanding, and use the language this system has forced onto you. Except, what you’re saying is quite literally a popular occluding talking point that capitalists deploy.

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            23 hours ago

            You completely ignored every point i raised, instead choosing to swear emotionally. This isnt really turning into a very constructive conversation.