I’m glad I’m on the winning team
I’ve never understood the fight. How could no drugs ever hope to beat yes drugs?
Let’s go drukqs!
I was a regular dabber for years when I quit cold turkey in anticipation of drug tests during job applications. I was completely sober for 8 months and when I got hired without a drug test I was so mad. I was expecting more drastic changes during sobriety but the only thing I noticed was the return of dreams. I hadn’t really noticed their absence during my decades of cannabis use but while sober they were much more vivid and outlandish than I remember them being. They’ve since disappeared again once I resumed dabbing shortly after starting work.
Sooo vivid. Like too vivid. Like scarringly vivid. Be careful easing off the pot, that’s all I’ll say.
I was also taking prozac when I was easing off weed. I had a zombie Apocalypse and meth addict dad, they were very vivid and frightening. I asked my psychologist abt it and she added a different med, they didn’t work. I felt less depressed and anxious so I came off Prozac and smoking again. No more dreams, that I can remember.
I quit vaping wax recently because I was tired of goldfish brain and, on top of my memory returning, the most noticeable shift was the return of dreams.
I actually dreamed that I ate an edible and freaked out, only to realize I was in a dream. It’s the closest I’ve come to lucid dreaming in a very long time.
This is me too. Being a software engineer and a daily smoker for over 10 years was not doing me any favors lol
the only thing I noticed was the return of dreams
Same thing happened to me. I quit wake-and-baking about five and a half years ago because I felt it had just taken over too much of my life. Shortly afterward I became a school bus driver, which requires an initial drug screening and then you’re subject to random tests thereafter. I’m a little pissed that I’ve never been selected for the random test, which means I could have been happily puffing away for the last five years.
The dreams are insanely weird and happen every time I sleep, even just a short nap. Most of the dreams are about me messing up driving a school bus and losing my job; one dream was me driving through high school hallways with kids scattering in all directions while thinking I really shouldn’t be doing this. I never dreamed at all when I was smoking.
It pays minimum wage with the barest benefits legally possible, with an inexperienced manager who thinks a boss should be a inconsistent tyrant. And it’s offered through a website that is far more interested in scraping whatever data it can find than actually matching people with jobs.
But yeah, it’s the drug testing that’s the issue.
I mean, you’d have to be on something to take a job like that.
War on drugs do not aim at reducing drug trasfic nor drug use. We all know it has never been effective anywhere for any drug.
We also know that treating drug as a medical problem is the best way to reduce both use and traffic.
War on drugs are just a way to force dealers to become more professional, and avoid “freelance” ones. War on drugs are a pure win for drugs, from their start.
And to feed the prison industrial complex, of course.
I see it as a direct continuation of:
Slavery->Sharecropping and Jim Crow->mass incarceration
Slavery never ended. The name just changed to be more polite, with a fig leaf of freedom and free will. Additionally we realized two things:
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It’s more economical to hold slaves in large central facilities than dispersed.
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The best way to fight abolitionism is to convince the populace that the slaves deserve it.
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workers at the charge of public expenses, working for the benefits of private companies 😍
Ugh, that’s dystopian.
Don’t worry, it can’t become true…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States
Yup they wanted to get “those people” off the streets.
Where I live, they already had frozen hirings.
My company is hiring and I don’t think we drug test at all. If anybody in Los Angeles wants to make sheet metal, PM me.
Dam you’re cool, real equitable help. GL in life and I hope you win.
How is it possible that ‘companies can’t find enough workers’ but it takes more applications than ever to find a job? Something doesn’t fucking add up
Most job applications are just data farming now. They aren’t for jobs that exist.
They can’t find enought workers that will accept shit pay and 0 benefits, but they don’t like saying that.
For us it’s an issue with marketing the position in a manner thay doesn’t result in 5,000 automated applications from an Indian headhunter firm that blindly clicks everything.
I’ve had a job opening at my city for weeks that pays higher than any other city in the state does for the same position, and we’ve had a grand total of one applicant who wasn’t qualified.
What is the job description?
It’s essentially someone to man the front desk, route phone calls, process simple single-trade building permits, and manage the contractor registry for the building department. It requires either a degree (of any kind just to show minimum qualifications) or experience in administrative duties or in an office or municipal setting.
Our one applicant has never held a job more than 4 months and it’s mostly been retail or restaurant work.
The catch with the job is the commute sucks. It’s a very wealthy area. Literally every homeowner in the city is at least a multi-millionaire, with multiple billionaires, so exactly 0 staff members live in town. We actually pay a pretty large monthly gas stipend on top of every employee’s salary.
And while it shouldn’t impact a permit tech, the legal fights we have with residents are wild. The average person we end up in disputes with has more financial resources than the city itself, which is weird. Every city has residents constantly threatening to sue over everything, and 99.99% of the time it’s hot air, but with us they actually follow through. Which, oddly enough, makes us less likely to respond to legal threats since we’re used to going to court at this point.
Well there actually isn’t anyone looking at the applications! That would cost someone $20 a hour!
The pay is what doesn’t add up
AI sucks at screening. But everyone is doing it.
Welp I guess this is one thing where ai can’t replace , living test subject, yikes.
I am 47, and I have never not once been tested for drugs for work.
For most of my jobs, I’m relatively certain that drugs were in fact required.
If anyone tried to test me for drugs, I would tell them to go fuck themselves, and I’d happily walk away from the interview.
I’ve been tested only twice in my life (I’m nearly 60), once while in college for an engineering internship at IBM and once five years ago when I started driving a school bus. I actually failed the IBM drug test (for marijuana) but they just told me to “clean up my act” and gave me the intership anyway. I’m kind of OK with drug testing school bus drivers only because there’s not really any way of testing whether or not a driver is currently high. On the other hand, they don’t regularly test drivers for alcohol and it’s more common than most parents would want to know for drivers to be drunk.
I live in Germany, and over here unless your employer can present a damn good safety critical reason for why you must be sober at work (e.g. operating heavy machinery) it’s not even legal to randomly drug test employees.
For your standard office job, or McDonalds cashier, or even high level office positions it would all be illegal for the employer to (randomly) drug test you.
As long as you’re not operating dangerous machinery, it’s none of your employers business what you do off the clock at home, even if that’s consuming illegal drugs. They can (obviously) ban you from being high at work, but they would reasonable suspicion to accuse of you violating that, and potentially trigger a test (which means effectively the thing that is banned is for your performance at work to be impaired by drugs. If you work equally well high as sober, and don’t reek of weed when you walk in, you can pretty much just work high without risk of much consequences)
All I know about Germany is that, aside from producing the world‘s most AWESOME gay porn, and having some extremely bizarre trash disposal laws, it is an confoundingly boring country.
But it’s nice to know that, aside from the outrageously restrictive drug laws, they don’t do on the job drug testing.
I have told prosprective employers to fuck off over:
take a drug test
Take a psych test
Unlock my credit for credit checks
Take a full face scan
Register with id.me for the application process
a handful of my jobs they knew i was heavily medicated and were offering me more drugs (part time office work in between surgeries)
Im 46, and I’ve only had one job that didnt do a pre-employment drug test. But most of my jobs have involved machines that can hurt people if not handled right.
The only jobs I didn’t get a piss test were all retail/food service. Every professional job I’ve had (tech) has made me drop a UA. I may have had to study to pass the pre-employment test, but thankfully no place I’ve been does randoms.
As my former manager put it, boss man isn’t going to make us drop a UA cuz he knows he’s lose his whole IT department.
I was a programmer for 25 years and never had a drug test in that time. No employer ever even contemplated doing it. In general, programming high or drunk isn’t going to hurt anybody, but I did once have a colleague accidentally shoot a 125 mph knuckleball a foot over a kid’s head. He wasn’t coding high as far as I know, but he was coding stupid, which is a lot worse.
Ok, storytime!
I worked in a little fabrication shop back in 2013 or so. The general manager got a hair up his ass and decided he was going to drug test everyone.
We lost everyone on all three shifts except for me, and my supervisor. My supervisor had been picked up a month prior for possession, and was getting regular drug tests from someone else. Im just boring.
The shop closed down a few months later. They couldn’t get anyone to work there, because people who do that kind of work talk to each other.
Ah, middle manglement problems, gotta
lovetolerate that shit…You’re telling me the general manager couldn’t pick up that slack? Sounds like he needs to have a word with himself
I’m 46 and my line of work is one of the more dangerous jobs involving heavy equipment. There is always a drug test as a pre employment screening, but that’s basically it. Nobody checks again because they’d have to fire half the workforce.
I’m a school bus driver and drug testing is a DOT mandatory requirement. Some of the districts around me have a reputation for making sure the “random” tests are only give to the drivers they know will pass, so a driver just has to keep clean long enough to pass the initial screening.
Construction and health care. All required prescreening drug tests, and all my jobs in healthcare had us subject to randoms.
In my case it was fabrication shops and machine shops. But exactly like you say.
There are some jobs for which I can understand when it would be very important to ensure the operators of heavy equipment absolutely must be guaranteed to be sober at all times.
Beyond heavy machine operators, this also includes livery drivers, airline pilots, etc.
But those are specialty jobs for which my previous comments are excluded.
Thank you for doing your job well, and soberly
Don’t forget Healthcare and insurance. I only know insurance because I have an uncle that has said he’d start micro dosing just to help him sleep but that could result in loss of his license
I used to run lasers capable of cutting 19mm steel plate. Have to be sober for that!
Yeah, that old chestnut
I’m skeptical that’s what we’re actually testing for, though. Employment drug tests are just to see if they’ll stop doing drugs for a month. We don’t expect heavy machine operators to do a field sobriety test at the start of their shift.
A lot of those jobs are subject to random screenings
For a given value of “random”.
A lot of places that did random drug screens, I would be “randomly” chosen every time because they knew I’d pass.
I’m 36 and have been drugs tested once. They reckoned they’d seen me drop a gram of coke on camera so I got 6 weeks paid holiday.
I have been drug tested several times, and I am in fact “on drugs”. So, I get a call within a couple of days of getting tested to provide them with access to my pharmacy records to prove they are legally prescribed.
So, wtf were they doing that you got 6 weeks?Same, and once I even got into a position where I was told I was free to sue a potential employer because they dismissed me without giving an opportunity to present proof of prescription
Apparently it fell out of my pocket on a Monday morning (doubtful but I did head home for the weekend and blacked out a bit so possible…but I would have done the coke if that was the case 😂) got dragged into a meeting on Wednesday, pissed clean and just got told to go home until I heard otherwise.
Obviously, because nobody oopsie-daisies a gram of coke without going back to grab it, lol.
😂 I don’t live in the best area and my dog is an early morning boy, I’ve found 3 grams this month. Kinda feel sorry for whoever lost it but I’m also no longer a fan so hopefully that might help someone
So… Where do you live? Please drop a pin on a map and reply only in a DM.
I’ll drop by and bring snacks!
Not sure how to drop a pin but I’ve just dm’d you my what3words. What snacks are you bringing?
Yeah, most restaurants dont test for drugs for a reason.
On the flip side, I’ve had to take a drug test for every single job I’ve ever had. Most are sales related. But I travel for work so I kind of understand the need 10 years ago when everything was illegal. Now that weed is mostly legal everywhere its pointless to even test for it.
I work with a vulnerable population. In addition to every job doing piss testing my fingerprints and DNA get recorded and checked against unsolved assaults / murders. Nothing ever comes up but I always worry I’m gonna be like the last person that touched a vase before the dude that bashed somebody’s head in with it and the dude who did it isn’t in any databases and I’m gonna have to answer a bunch of intrusive questions.
Anytime I have worked for fintech I’ve been tested and fully background checked every time, pretty annoying but the trade off is the pay I suppose
“No coke in this guy’s system, rejected.”
Damn that made me laugh,if only that was the case I’m sure the coffee budgets at work would be cocaine budgets instead lol
If I wanna buy blow in whatever city I’m visiting, I always ask a bartender or a waiter for a hook up.
It’s a rule I refer to as “industry standard”
I have and am 43 and it was the most miserable day at work I’ve had. I worked 2nd shift and walked into a mass screening. I clocked in and was fine. About 20 minutes later, I really had to pass badly, but the bathrooms were being dedicated to pass tests. There was one person completely refusing to take the test. It go bad, like really bad. I eventually had to say “If you don’t either pass test me or let me in the bathroom, I am making a mess right here and now, uncontrollablly.” to my boss’s face. They thankfully saw reason and let me go test. The guy that refused was promptly fired. His refusal was idiotic because there would have been no real repercussions - my boss even had a bad history with coccinellids, and would have just written him up. It was a sad day.
How does that Nazi dick taste?
Nobody fucking tells me when I can piss. I am the sole authority over my own bodily functions.
It was a sad day because you and so many of your coworkers handed that over to any authority at all. You fucking cowards. You gave them the power to abuse you. then you had the temerity to come here and rationalize it.
Classic victim behavior
Yeah, fuck off with that. Do not come at me with that bullshit. You instantly commented. Maybe, just fucking maybe I was and am completely stuck in a horrid capitalist country and was required to do so to eat. You don’t know me or the full situation. How does the fucking fascist authoritarian dick taste from willfully being on a piefed instance that hasn’t forked away from that? Nobody told me I couldn’t piss, I was doing the normal human thing of following expected social norms. I am going to do myself the traditional favor I do and not block you, but flag you as someone that not only maybe has it out for anarchism in general, but a potential bot since your comment was instant, accusatory, and vapid.
Wow. How pathetic.
Marching into the gas chambers, while still defending the Nazis who shoved you in there.
“I had no choice but to let them exterminate me!”
I guess some people will never learn…
I am not going to engage with someone that attempts to paint me as a fucking Nazi from an anecdote.
I never even heard of “anarchist Nexus”, whatever that is
But go on and keep defending Nazis and how they stole your body autonomy, like a wife who defends the husband that beats her…
No replies at all for evidence of this account being a zionazi. I suppose I digress.
What “evidence”?
Your petty deflections are nothing but that
Oh fucking look, the idiot/bot that replied within seconds has nothing to say all of a sudden trying to mark an anarchist as a Nazi.
Oh fucking look, the idiot/bot that replied within seconds has nothing to say all of a sudden trying to mark an anarchist as a Nazi.
Funny how you called yourself out for being an idiot/bot
😂
It seems that your AI chat buddy doesn’t understand the concept of comment hierarchies… Lol
…what?
what?
Was that too complicated for your grok prompt?
Lol
We’ve had a sign posted at work saying “We are proud to be a drug-free workplace. All new and current employees are subject to drug testing at any time.”
Not. Once. Not even when Jimmy came in to work each evening with the smell of weed wafting off of him. I could probably lay rails on my work table right in front of the security camera and hit one each hour and nothing would happen.
Sure, but that’s not what the policies are for. If/when someone gets injured on the job the policy is standardly they require you to take a drug test then. If you fail you were breaking policy and the injury is deemed your fault, thus taking all responsibility of paying you workers comp off the table. Happens every day across the U.S. (that said I believe you can fight it, as you aren’t always automatically eliminated if you fail the drug test, you will have an up hill battle though)
I worked at a factory in the rural south the year (2022) they quietly did away with marijuana testing, even for spot violations. Turns out the standard reasoning, “the insurance company says,” doesn’t really matter… they didn’t care and allowed a 9-panel to be used in all testing matters.
The unofficial reason I heard is, they go through the same workers on rotation, the good employees get hired back and forth. Drunks are chaotic, tweakers introduce drugs and are chaotic. Stoners are quiet and show up on time, and cause 0% of the fights, and tend to come with less of a rap sheet for terroristic threats and domestics.
They almost tripped over themselves to look the other way on my stonership…
Yeah I remember when my factory hired a young woman to head HR shortly after weed was legalized where I lived and she immediately got to ensuring we wouldn’t be punished for smoking. The stoners are rarely a problem, and you really don’t want to lose a bunch of people just because their mild drug of choice is fat soluble instead of water soluble
It does amuse me how I’ve had doctors and employers drug test me which only pushed me from weed to acid
Meanwhile I worked at one company in Colorado that didn’t test for marijuana at all when I got hired, I specifically asked. Then 6 months later hired some lady from Utah and they started testing all new employees for marijuana and threatening drug tests whenever something happened. Marijuana having been legal in the state for like 15 years at that point.
For weed, get a medical card, if you can afford it. Usually even in recreational states you can get one and then they can’t fire you for it.
I live in a state with recreational marijuana, but my current employer’s policies specifically prohibit even medical marijuana, and I had to do a pre-employment drug test. Looking for a better job, but I’ve exhausted unemployment and all my savings, so it pays the bills for now.
Oh that sucks, I completely understand though. You do what you need to do to pay the bills. I had a driving job like that, which makes sense.
Is that not protected under anti-disability discrimination legislation in the US?
I’m on medical cannabis in the UK, while our system is not set up for it at all if an employer took umbrage with it for a non-operational reason (such as operating heavy machinery vs being on it at all) that’d be a fairly open and shut disability discrimination case. Same as if you fired an employee for being on tramadol or similar.
Weed is only legalized by states here, it’s still federally illegal
Yeah, federally it’s classified as “no medicinal benefits with high potential for abuse”, aka schedule 1. This is why I can sue (or even get the government to sue on my behalf) an employer for firing me when my prescribed amphetamines trip a drug test, but the government can mandate employers that work with it to fire anyone who fails a cannabis test regardless of prescription status.
Biden was in the process of rescheduling cannabis, and honestly I’ve got issues with the whole scheduling system considering that it says cannabis and acid are worse than heroin and forces opiates and adhd meds into the same regulatory box despite abuse of them looking more like proper use of the other.
Absolutely not protected in the US. They can and will fire you.
Christ, how does that work with your doctors being way more keen to prescribe narcotics than ours then? Is it literally a case of follow your doctor’s orders or your boss’s? That’s fucked up.
Side note update for you, thanks to the Sacklers and the hell on earth they visited on us via profiteering lying about the opiates they invented, now there’s actually a gigantic back swing and it’s WAY more difficult to be prescribed strong pain relief, even when badly needed. Count on us to always come up with the worst possible response to a problem, I guess.
Prescribed narcotics would be OK as long as related doctor or company restrictions on operating heavy equipment or such were complied with. But in the US marijuana is still federally illegal. The feds usually don’t seek out prosecutions where states have legalized at the state level, but banks won’t accept business accounts if marijuana is sold because of the federal illegality, and businesses involving heavy machinery generally also still feel the legal risk of explicitly allowing marijuana use is too high.
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Citation? I’m confused, for what? Clearly I’m missing something because 24 people agree with you lol
You can have a prescription for opiates too.
Doesn’t make it OK to be high at a job where that impairment puts you and others in danger.
That being said, there’s no test for THC that has a narrow enough time window to tell if someone is currently intoxicated. Blood tests are the closest at 6h, but blood levels aren’t correlated with intoxication.
I never said it did. I agree its better to use at home after work. Some people have a beer I have a j, shouldnt be drinking at work either. I didnt know they can precisely test for opioids like that.
“Drug-free workplace” policy language is also a requirement for a lot of government contracts in the US
America: big on winning wars.
…Lost the war on terror to terror.
…Lost the war on drugs to drugs.
To be fair, America initially lost the war on terror, then switched sides, so they’re technically winning.
We were doing terrorism long before 9/11
True.
Are we the baddies?!
We basically have been since the puritans landed on Plymouth Rock.
I was going to write something sarcastic about transatlantic relations, but honestly we deserve some blame for the Puritans. The English Reformation and its consequences were fairly severe.
And Vietnam. And Iraq. And Afghanistan. And koreas. The US is just terrible at war tbh.
Because their leaders are idiots who think attacking the symptom will eliminate the cause.
Abstract concepts dont tend to have the capacity for surrender, after all.
Losing the war in Iran.
I’m a medical provider at a university hospital. They have a drug testing policy, but they have only ever utilized it for staff, not faculty members. I’ve worked in my clinic for more than ten years and have never been drug tested.
Pretty sure the hospital administrators really don’t want to know if any of their physicians have any bad habits. It’s kinda a lose lose situation for the hospital, and it’s pretty well known that our field has substance abuse issues.
Health care should be one of the top 3 places to test. But having worked in healthcare for 20+ years a doctor could come in for the drug test, do a rail in front of the tester, make the hold the cup while they piss all over the place and walk out smiling, and admin would think nothing less of it
Yeah… Unfortunately, as long as you still have the ability to bill Medicare under your NPI you really have to work to get dismissed from a hospital.
The head of my department is currently being sued by the advertising and media department for making his own commercial. The advertising department made a commercial that didn’t feature him as much as he thought it should so he just made and aired his own commercial featuring official branding of the university and hospital.
He had to take down the commercial, but he continues to print off shirts for everyone in our department about the commercial. The administration’s stance on the whole thing was just to let the two departments work it out.
The fucking ego of that guy
Surgeons are all kinda like that. It’s a very ego driven field.
“I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,” - James Comey as FBI director.
Yeah this is a good thing. I wish drugs were decriminalized and treated as a health epidemic.
It’ll never happen as long as Republicans are running the show.
Or neoliberal democrats.
Wasn’t it Kamala Harris who said “We need a strong Republican party.” ? Fucking traitors.
The GOP needs to be treated like enemies of the state
