The conditions you put those girls in were worse, Andy. Wish, I could feel bad for you. Oh wait, no I don’t.

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      Absolutely! People we hate deserve inhumane treatment because we’re moral and ethical and have the right reasons!!! We rule!!!

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        You are grossly underestimating the situation when you turn this into an issue of personal hate. We are talking about a person who is damaging the world at large by actively turning younger generation into mysoginist, toxic males, likely committing sex slave trafficking (wouldn’t be surprised if minors involved) and making tons of money out of both. When you turn this into an issue of “hate” then you are either pointing at the wrong target conciously (for whatever reason I can not say) or really haven’t thought this through at all.

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        No, we just like to see these people in the process of learning that being treated like shit is not fun. And that you should therefore not do the same to others.

        And yeah there’s a bit of schadenfreude in there feeling justice being served to an absolute vile shitty human being.

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          …learning that being treated like shit is not fun. And that you should therefore not do the same to others.

          I agree, which is why I don’t cheer when anybody does it. I hope you eventually learn that enjoying somebody’s suffering doesn’t actually resolve your personal anger issues, it just makes it easier and easier to enjoy other people’s suffering.

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            No no, I would much rather Andrew Tate not be punished for his crimes. That would mean we lived in a world where he wasn’t allowed to (or simply didn’t) put his victims in worse conditions where they were raped, beaten, and forced to make porn.

            We do not live in that world. Furthermore, there are young men who idolize this man. They need to be taught that actions have consequences and that they should not replace him. His suffering will send that message well.

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            Not really, I am relatively old, have always been like this and the set of people whose suffering would make me happy is small (basically people who fuck up the world at large for personal gain). I haven’t turned into some grumpy mean old guy who fantasizes about making a person who annoys me suffer, or even those who are locally a menace to people around them. Anger issues? Again maybe only against a very small set of people. I don’t think there is anyone around me that would categorize me as particularly angry.

            I think the words you are looking might be frustration (at being able to do almost nothing when some people really fuck the world up) and losing hope (that there are just some people who don’t have a single ounce of conscience in them).

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            It’s not so much “enjoyment”. I get no pleasure from the hurt being inflicted upon people. I DO get enjoyment from seeing justice served. And yes, there is a difference, I love that he feels a little of what his victims have been feeling for much longer and much deeper. Without being heard or seen.

            And he is still being heard and seen, which means: to me; he is not hurting enough for justice to have been served.

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        Does it help that I’m only happy he’s suffering because he made his victims live in worse conditions?

        The conditions in our prisons are deplorable, but every so often, they end up being an ironic punishment.

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        Morality is not being soft on people who need help and also being soft on people who need punishment or retribution.

        Your virtue is in being soft with the good people and also being equally harsh with the bad ones.

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        The bright side of this is while he’s in the worst cell, he’s occupying that spot, no one else is.

        Changing jail conditons for everyone will take time.

        Meanwhile, probably better him than anyone else in that prison.