See, I think they’re more Christian than you. The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion. Something you seem to have missed. And what about not judging?
It’s all moot. Y’all are arguing over different flavors of a fanfic. Real Jesus was nothing like the book.
The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion
Nope, the Bible doesn’t say anything about beads. Prayer is meant to be simple. The rosary is adding to God’s word.
Revalation 22:18 “ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”
It sounds like you had a brush with death and that you think God saved you and that you need to go profess his message.
If I can offer an alternate viewpoint.
You almost died and God put you back on Earth to improve the situation and lives of others. And one thing I can tell you about religion is it does not do this. People get so caught up in proselytizing that they don’t actually do anything good. Lip service instead of real progress. Nitpicking and fighting with each other over differing interpretations.
Jesus’s message was very clear: help others. That’s the whole fucking thing. And every time you judge someone to be less or more Christian than you, you’re not helping anybody.
Donating, charity work, voting for socialist policies, volunteering: these are things that actually move the needle. And none of these require religion.
So do the world a favor. Put down the judgy attitude, grab a lawn mower, and go mow some old ladies lawn for free.
I’ll ask you again: yes or no, do you believe a church (the Catholic Church) which allows and enables its preachers all throughout its history to molest children is a church of Christ?
I mean… It’s a fact if you believe what’s written in the book, right? Mary was like a 14-year-old girl. God is a god. The power dynamic there is super inappropriate. How is she going to say no? That’s just straight-up rape.
The guy you linked seems insane to me, no offense.
Also wafer not being the body of Christ? Isn’t that during the Last Supper that Jesus says that this is my body? The wafers are just an analogue to that.
Why is he worrying so much about honorifics like “Father” as well? This is just a bizarre wall of text.
Ruben Israel was insane (he was an Arminian). But I at least agree with him on his list of Catholic errors
Matthew 23:9 says: “ And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Basically, it is directly against the word of God to call a priest that word.
Who gives a toss about specific quotes like that? They’re mistranslated copy of telephone game word of mouth of stuff random people came up with hundreds of years after Jesus died. And that quote could just be saying don’t call you dad ‘father’ - which is just stupid.
Ok, then you are a minority even among Protestants.
I’d love to see you explain to Catholics and Orthodox Christians how they’re not Christians and Christianity was somehow founded in 1517, 1484 years after Christ was crucified.
First of all, I’m not saying that: true Christianity existed before the Catholic Church, there were others who taught more accurate doctrines like the precursors to the primitive baptists, Gottschalk of Orbais, Jan Hus, etc. alongside the Catholic Church: 1517 was simply a revival of these earlier ideas (obviously that’s way oversimplified, if I was to do so tell catholics, I’d explain it in a lot more detail, do my homework etc.)
Yeah, nah, that’s not how Christianity works, or how religions work outside of tiny movements or strict organisations.
Almost from Jesus’s death Christianity diverged as the gospel spread through word of mouth, it’s why alongside the canonical Gospels you had various different non canonical Gospels, because before things were written down and a canon formed, people told different stories about Jesus.
You also had various different Christianities form straight from the getgo. The Thomasines, the Coptic Church, the Ethiopian church are major examples, The Gnostics are a more extreme example. Hell in the bible itself you see two different currents with Paul and James.
Also the idea that one follows the “One True Church” is a silly statement if you glance at the Bible or records of the early church. Do you attend a house church, where members of the community worship at someone’s home? Do you take communion as part of a symposium-like meal like the early Christians did in Paul’s time? Do you reject traditional property norms, holding things in common? Do you, as Jesus said before telling us the Lord’s prayer, reject big public shows of piety and long babbling prayers, only saying the Lord’s prayer?
As religions spread, they begin to develop variations, with Protestantism doubly so. Saying Catholicism isn’t a form of Christianity is akin to a Theravada Buddhist saying that they are the only true form of the Drama, or an Anarchist saying a Trade Unionist isn’t a leftist.
No, I’m not a member of a church. I think they’ve all become corrupt, you’d have to work hard to prove to me that your church is the right one. And by the way: just because a so-called ‘church’ like the catholics proclaim themselves followers of god, it doesn’t make them so. What man believed that a church where the preachers molest children (not just now, but all throughout their history) could possibly be the church of Christ? Isn’t that a pretty big red flag right there?
just because a so-called ‘church’ like the catholics proclaim themselves followers of god, it doesn’t make them so.
Compare to the calvinists and presbyters insisting they’re not a part of a christian church. It’s just approaching this same conclusion from the different end.
Catholics do too much unbiblical for me to accept that they’re Christian
Oh yes, yes. It’s your specific interpretation of the highly mistranslated book that is the deciding factor.
Shit, I rolled my eyes too hard and I think I hurt something. I’m sending you the doctor bill.
Well I’m not saying a rosary for you (where tf is the rosary in the Bible???) also, it’s not purely my ‘interpretation’ (how do you interpret something that isn’t even in the bible?) many others have said so too, see this: https://sites.google.com/view/officialstreetpreachers/edification/catholics
See, I think they’re more Christian than you. The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion. Something you seem to have missed. And what about not judging?
It’s all moot. Y’all are arguing over different flavors of a fanfic. Real Jesus was nothing like the book.
Nope, the Bible doesn’t say anything about beads. Prayer is meant to be simple. The rosary is adding to God’s word.
Revalation 22:18 “ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”
The Bible also says nothing about typing. So why are you still here?
I shouldn’t be. I wouldn’t be if things had gone ever so slightly different. Idk if God saved me or whatever
It sounds like you had a brush with death and that you think God saved you and that you need to go profess his message.
If I can offer an alternate viewpoint.
You almost died and God put you back on Earth to improve the situation and lives of others. And one thing I can tell you about religion is it does not do this. People get so caught up in proselytizing that they don’t actually do anything good. Lip service instead of real progress. Nitpicking and fighting with each other over differing interpretations.
Jesus’s message was very clear: help others. That’s the whole fucking thing. And every time you judge someone to be less or more Christian than you, you’re not helping anybody.
Donating, charity work, voting for socialist policies, volunteering: these are things that actually move the needle. And none of these require religion.
So do the world a favor. Put down the judgy attitude, grab a lawn mower, and go mow some old ladies lawn for free.
Nope.
You don’t know what happened to me. I’m not interested in your opinion of me or my ‘judgy’ attitude.
Blocked.
I’ll ask you again: yes or no, do you believe a church (the Catholic Church) which allows and enables its preachers all throughout its history to molest children is a church of Christ?
Yes. Because God impregnated a child to birth your savior. Let alone the power differential. Consent was literally impossible.
And what’s good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander. Or gosling, in this case.
You may keep it
Well that’s your opinion
I mean… It’s a fact if you believe what’s written in the book, right? Mary was like a 14-year-old girl. God is a god. The power dynamic there is super inappropriate. How is she going to say no? That’s just straight-up rape.
The guy you linked seems insane to me, no offense.
Also wafer not being the body of Christ? Isn’t that during the Last Supper that Jesus says that this is my body? The wafers are just an analogue to that.
Why is he worrying so much about honorifics like “Father” as well? This is just a bizarre wall of text.
Ruben Israel was insane (he was an Arminian). But I at least agree with him on his list of Catholic errors
Matthew 23:9 says: “ And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Basically, it is directly against the word of God to call a priest that word.
But yeah, I agree with him on that list, not on his other Arminian ways. A comedian made a rather funny documentary on him it’s worth a watch if only for shits and giggles
Who gives a toss about specific quotes like that? They’re mistranslated copy of telephone game word of mouth of stuff random people came up with hundreds of years after Jesus died. And that quote could just be saying don’t call you dad ‘father’ - which is just stupid.
Well people who believe in it ig. Ask them, I can’t really speak for them why they would one specific theology
I am personally really in the gnostic branches of early Christianity.
Those have Jesus mock his followers for worshipping jaweh, which is the devil.
My modern reading about those texts is:
Post-theism 2000 years before Cultural Christians became popular in Europe.
Found the American Protestant.
Nobody outside of the United States believes Catholics aren’t Christian.
Incorrect.
I’m from England, land of the Puritans (im not saying I am a puritan, but I’ve certainly inherited their anti-Catholic stance.)
Ok, then you are a minority even among Protestants.
I’d love to see you explain to Catholics and Orthodox Christians how they’re not Christians and Christianity was somehow founded in 1517, 1484 years after Christ was crucified.
First of all, I’m not saying that: true Christianity existed before the Catholic Church, there were others who taught more accurate doctrines like the precursors to the primitive baptists, Gottschalk of Orbais, Jan Hus, etc. alongside the Catholic Church: 1517 was simply a revival of these earlier ideas (obviously that’s way oversimplified, if I was to do so tell catholics, I’d explain it in a lot more detail, do my homework etc.)
Yeah, nah, that’s not how Christianity works, or how religions work outside of tiny movements or strict organisations.
Almost from Jesus’s death Christianity diverged as the gospel spread through word of mouth, it’s why alongside the canonical Gospels you had various different non canonical Gospels, because before things were written down and a canon formed, people told different stories about Jesus.
You also had various different Christianities form straight from the getgo. The Thomasines, the Coptic Church, the Ethiopian church are major examples, The Gnostics are a more extreme example. Hell in the bible itself you see two different currents with Paul and James.
Also the idea that one follows the “One True Church” is a silly statement if you glance at the Bible or records of the early church. Do you attend a house church, where members of the community worship at someone’s home? Do you take communion as part of a symposium-like meal like the early Christians did in Paul’s time? Do you reject traditional property norms, holding things in common? Do you, as Jesus said before telling us the Lord’s prayer, reject big public shows of piety and long babbling prayers, only saying the Lord’s prayer?
As religions spread, they begin to develop variations, with Protestantism doubly so. Saying Catholicism isn’t a form of Christianity is akin to a Theravada Buddhist saying that they are the only true form of the Drama, or an Anarchist saying a Trade Unionist isn’t a leftist.
No, I’m not a member of a church. I think they’ve all become corrupt, you’d have to work hard to prove to me that your church is the right one. And by the way: just because a so-called ‘church’ like the catholics proclaim themselves followers of god, it doesn’t make them so. What man believed that a church where the preachers molest children (not just now, but all throughout their history) could possibly be the church of Christ? Isn’t that a pretty big red flag right there?
Compare to the calvinists and presbyters insisting they’re not a part of a christian church. It’s just approaching this same conclusion from the different end.
Hey, my dad is not a true Scotsman too
Hahahaha thats true for every type of Christians my dude
True. Makes you wonder who actually follows it.
So they’re just like the Christians?
Lol
What’s up with people saying Cathlics aren’t Christians? I’m an atheist, and I’ve heard this a few times and is utterly baffling.
They literally believe Jesus Christ is their savior, ya know, the defining feature of being a Christian, like every other flavor of Christianity.
Also, if you’re interested, look into the history of Martin Luther, the 95 theses, and sola fide. Also learn about the doctrine of predestination
Nope, not like (every) other flavour (well, maybe some) this list of unbiblical things catholics do is good
Tell this to hardcore catholics on the countryside and they will bring back human sacrifice only for you
Beautiful! They’ll just be proving my point!