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Screenshot of a tweet by @feralhousepuppy: hey so you’ve been calling me “bro”, “man”, and “dude” a lot and it’s really invalidating to my masculinity cause those are all gender neutral things you call trans women :/

  • fonix232@fedia.io
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    3 days ago

    “dude” always felt gender neutral to me (though do note English is my fourth language…).

    And if you look at the etymology of the word, gender neutrality makes some sense.

    It started out as slang in the late 1800s mocking “hyper-fashionable young urban men”.

    Then the early 20th century it transformed to describe tourists from the East Coast on the Western side of the country (see “dude ranches”).

    And then in the 60-70s it transformed thanks to surfer slang, back to being male oriented.

    I’d say if you’re uncomfortable with the “dude” form of the term… use “dood” instead. Or even “d00d” if you’re feeling l33t h4xx0r.

    • stopforgettingit@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      “dude” always felt gender neutral to me

      You will find out how gender neural “dude” really is when you ask a guy how many dudes he has banged.

    • isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 days ago

      So in your examples, it went from making fun of a type of men, to referring to the overwhelmingly-male owners of hobby ranches, to referring to male surfers.

      When exactly was it ever gender neutral?

      • fonix232@fedia.io
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        2 days ago

        No…

        You got the second part wrong. It wasn’t the “overwhelmingly male owners of hobby ranches” that were called dudes, but, if you read my comment again, you’ll notice I specifically said the UNGENDERED tourists hailing from the east coast - primarily city folk - visiting rural western areas, ranches.

    • Feathercrown@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Gendered terms actually very often have really weird etymologies. You’d be surprised how many words for women used to refer to children of any gender (which could be a whole discussion by itself).