worked on it since 1998
GIMP is good for most people. The clone is not guaranteed to be maintained.
Do any of them support HDR colorspaces?
That’s my big sore point. I need something more like Darkroom/Darktable than a full blown editor, but basically nothing supports HDR well.
Darktable can technically output HDR files from RAW, but can’t render it! I have no idea what it’ll look like when editing. Last I tried, GIMP doesn’t support it at all, and almost nothing on Earth will output a gainmapped file. But Adobe software is one of the few that, unfortunately, gets most of it right…
Gimp 3 came out this past year and I feel made massive improvements that I use often for my little simple projects but I think everyone still complaining about Gimp 2 because they tried it many years ago and said it sucks and went back to paying adobe.
I’ve used GIMP many times. Every time I do, I fight with it for hours, try looking up tutorials for how to do things only to find out that everything is different in the tutorial compared to what is happening in my version of the program, and then I rage quit and use something else.
Sorry but I do not find GIMP usable. Not that I have any interest in the ai clone either. I’ve heard good things about Krita, so next time I need to edit something I’ll be spending some hours learning how to use that.
I tend to resort to paint.net
“Yes.”
Gimp isn’t good enough for pro level work.
“tis a poor carpenter that blames their tools.”
I think the worst problem with GIMP is not that it isn’t a powerful enough tool, but that they make it a point of the project to make it as distinct as possible from photoshop, so a lot of pros don’t really want to even bother learning how to use it. I have tried using it a few times in place of my pirated copy of Photoshop (whenever it stops working), and everytime I try, it baffles me how making something that is obvious and intuitive in photoshop needs 5x more work to do it in GIMP.
Ive been using GIMP for years and once you adjust to how it operates, it’s quite powerful. In fact it has some rather useful features once you unlearn Photoshop. It reminds one a bit more of Corel Paint from back in the day.
Is this new one pro level? I haven’t looked into any of them really, but a friend sent me the CAD one, and it looked like it wasn’t 3d, and didn’t have the physics/shape engine
Yep. I hate Adobe, but Photoshop and Lightroom really are excellent products.
I love FOSS suites. I generally use Inkscape over Illustrator when I can, even though I have a full Creative Cloud license. I use QGIS frequently over ArcGIS even though I have ESRI. I use stone tablets and my own blood over Word because fuck Word.
But GIMP just doesn’t do it.
I started with GIMP, and I’ve stuck with it and enjoyed it for all my use cases for over a decade.
I tried Photoshop a few times and hated it every time.
I love GIMP
Oh no you dont understand, the corpo dick suckers say the UX is terrible and the name unmarkatable, its not just their personal preferred way of handling things, aka the way Photoshop handles things.
The name is a huge self-own. I almost convinced a church to go fully FOSS awhile back, but the church people couldn’t handle the photoshop replacement being called gimp. So then they would’ve still needed Photoshop, so the whole Linux thing was kind of a non starter
*In English speaking countries.
I knew about GIMP like 6 years before I learned that gimp was an actual English word.
You shoulda seen the look on the client’s face when I told him the name of the software I used to enlarge and tile his image for a print project was “The Rasterbater.”
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I will be forever thankful for GIMP bringing us GTK and GNOME.
I think the trouble with art software is that Photoshop is the biggest over-complicated unwieldy piece of shit ever made, and everybody has to ape it because “it’s what artists know”.
Bring back Deluxe Paint.
If GIMP would just eat the complaints of their small, dedicated users, and make the UI more like Photoshop, they’d grow their userbase much faster.
Maybe, that’s why they don’t do it?
That’s what Gimpshop was.
Yep. I haven’t used it in a while but I remember it being so far off the Photoshop layout and key binds I couldn’t use it.
They got the usability entirely wrong. I just can’t take GIMP seriously as photo editing software.
So meta: the original meme was a blurry photo of a tv broadcast, now it’s an ai upscale in the fuck_ai community
it doesn’t seem’s a screencap from that youtuber that paid like $1000 to purchase the full dvd set from the african broacaster, then watched hundreds of episodes to find it => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2wiN7aW4U
To me the funny thing about these online squabbles is the people insisting gimp is somehow good. It is not, it has never been - it is an appalling embarrassment of a tool. Sure, a programmer who doesn’t really know anything about professional imaging can use it to make a couple icons, but if you want to do any form of professional work, for-fucking-get it. It’s a joke and it always has been a joke.
I was a professional game developer/producer for over 20+ years and gimp has ALWAYS been the laughing stock.
Can I ask in a non argumentative way what exactly makes it’s unsuitable? Is it just that the professional workflow is built around photoshop, something to do with colour, something about the files?
In most cases I don’t really care about x vs y arguments I’m more interested in the fundamental reasons. I’ve encounted many people saying things are better because <emotional reason> or not used in industry when the whole purpose of the product was to take over the industry via free school software etc.
Gimp 3 also came out this past year and I feel made massive improvements but I think everyone still complaining about gimp 2
What?!?! Mods, this guy is trying to have a real conversation, what the fuck?!?!
Someone ping me if this gets a reply
I’m not here to squabble with you people, you all know it’s a piece of dog shit. You can already see that people will not accept what I’m saying, this is not an argument by authority, but the fact of the matter is no professional artist would ever use that tool, and you know that.
I was interested in an artist’s specific critiques of GIMP. I know GIMP is clunky but I’m not in the industry, so I don’t know what’s considered necessary or useful for artists.
If you’re having a bad day, just don’t comment.
I was interested in an artist’s specific critiques of GIMP.
I can give my very vague hazy input, as someone who used to be an artist. I used GIMP many years ago when I just started digital art, since it was a free image program (and Krita didn’t exist at the time). This must have been fifteen years ago or more. I distinctly remember using GIMP to “trace” over my scanned pencil/ink physical art to make digital art, since I didn’t have a drawing tablet at the time. I did a decent amount of drawings in GIMP this way, and therefore feel like I must have “got the hang of” the UI during this period of time. So GIMP was the first image manipulation program I used and I used it a lot, so therefore, I would say that means I should have built up some kind of “intuition” or memory on how to use it.
Then, I got a drawing tablet. I don’t remember at the time of GIMP had pressure sensitivity or not. But I do remember that around the time I got my Wacom tablet, I figured out how to… 🏴☠️ acquire 🦜 Photoshop. I then basically abandoned GIMP for Photoshop and Paint Tool SAI to draw digital art fully rather than scanning in physical drawings.
Now, not long after, maybe a few/several months later, my mother asked me about needing an image manipulation program. I told her about GIMP, and helped install it for her. Then she eventually came by and asked me how to do some relatively simple image manipulation task — I can’t remember exactly, but say something like “rotate a part of an image” — and I told her “oh no problem!” and took her laptop to show her how to do it and… I completely forgot and couldn’t even figure it out. Nothing I tried to do that I felt like should have done the simple image manipulation task got me close to doing it. I think the furthest I got was making a “dancing ants” selection but couldn’t do a rotate for the life of me (or whatever I had to do). And I’m sure I tried to search Google on how to do it and it didn’t help. I eventually got flustered and told her that I had no idea how to do it, and I was pretty embarrassed, considering I had formerly used this program so much for my initial start into digital art.
I think about this memory whenever GIMP UI discussions come up. To me, the fact that I so quickly forgot how to do something so basic not that long after I stopped using it suggests there is something unintuitive about the way things are set up in GIMP. I will go long stints not using Photoshop since I don’t really do much art anymore, and yet when I come back, I’ll remember how to things, or if I do forget something, the menu l’ll find it in makes sense to me. As to what and why something doesn’t feel right, I unfortunately can’t articulate it well, though I’m sure that’s because of how long ago it’s been at this point. And one issue about something being intuitive vs not is that it makes it difficult to explain why something “feels right” or doesn’t.
Granted, I have seen news that GIMP has recently updated its UI again, and I am curious about trying to out, especially since I heard they’re requesting feedback.
Totally convinced me!
• Evelyne Schulz: A Denmark-based digital artist and programmer who relies on GIMP as her primary tool alongside Blender for 3D/perspective bases.
• Jeremy Crotty: A digital surrealist painter who creates full digital paintings and abstract pieces directly in GIMP.
• Benedicto Cernal III: A graphic designer known for using GIMP to craft distressed, analog-style poster collages.
• Daniel Lloyd-Miller: A professional painter who uses GIMP for post-processing, color correction, and digital painting preparation.
My dude, No one is trying to squabble here except you. I don’t know how much less confrontational someone can be when asking a question, and yet you still came out swinging.
Edit: In this particular thread tree.
You’re not really interested, you’re just trying to call bullshit on somebody that has decades of experience. YOU go out and you find me a professional artist that will attest that they prefer gimp, and I’ll walk naked down Main Street.
I am interested, I thought you might provide a bit of insight, and I’m not arguing either way, honestly I couldn’t care either way as I’m not a digital artist.
You can see that people don’t really want to know, what they want to do is to continue to believe that this tool is good. A tool that they did not build, they do not use, and they cannot evaluate against the comparative pro tools.
I’m not wasting my breath on this bullshit.
I’ve never in my entire life of professional digital media and development known an artist who would ever use gimp. Because it is utter feces.
I really wanted to know. Oh well, bitter mockery will have to do.
Damn dude, I think you mis-read the post. It had me interested in hearing more from you.
For the record, as someone who’s online some significant image editing for scientific stuff, and was primarily using the very non-artsy program ImageJ, I’m lost everytime I try to do much of anything in gimp
YOU go out and you find me a professional artist that will attest that they prefer gimp
Lol looks like somebody found some!
https://lemmy.world/comment/26454599
…and I’ll walk naked down Main Street.
Enjoy struttin’ your stuff, hope you kept up with the landscaping! XD
Haha all in good fun, I’m happy someone posted these people because I didn’t know about them.
You’re making an argument (that Gimp isn’t ready for prime time), but responses like this only undermine your argument and your credibility. By my read that user was trying to respond in good faith, or at least appears that they are. By accusing bad faith and demanding they appeal to authority (your experience) you sabotage your own argument.
If as you say all professional artists hate Gimp, you could have used the same number of words to illustrate (no pun intended) one or two reasons why. And then you’re boosting your argument and your own credibility by providing facts.
And below you insist ‘you all know it’s a piece of dog shit’… have you considered the possibility that they don’t know? Maybe they aren’t professional designers, maybe they are just bystanders who only use graphics programs to occasionally touch up family photos.
If a person asks you for knowledge, replying with accusation only makes you look non-credible.
The funny thing is, there are always “pros” bitching about it, but never doing anything about it.
Pros would FREQUENTLY try to do something about it, create a pull request, get denied for some bullshit reason, and forget about the project entirely.
Frequently? Then you can surely link some denied PRs from before the AI slop times.
Also forks are a thing. It just needs one single person to take the staff, create a fork, merge all the rejected PRs into it, and merge from upstream every once in a while.
It’s not up to a pro to fix somebody else’s broken heap of shit. A professional artist is going to pick the professional tools that are made available to them Not their job to correct this piece of dog crap.
Sure. Demand free open source software without contributing anything and then talk shit about the people volunteering their time. It’s not their job either to give you what you want for free. In contrast to closed source shit you have the option to shape it to your needs. Not doing that and then behaving like they owe you anything is pretty arrogant.
I didn’t think they demanded anything
Why yes.
is this some kind of AI upscale of the meme? His skin has a fabric-like texture, uncanny 👀
Hell hath no fury like a photographer told to use UX that isn’t literally an 1:1 exact clone of Photoshop UX.
What babies.
It’s not that.
Photographers went from Photoshop to lightroom quite quickly.
And other proprietary tools as well.
On the open source front many graphics people went to Inkscape instead of gimp.
Gimp methodology and UX is not landing with the majority of people and it’s not offering them enough workflow improvements to justify the learning curve.
Ironically, this attitude is a major blocker for the GIMP team when it comes to bigger UI/UX changes – there’s a vocal contingent who will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
Firefox’s incredibly light-touch visual changes recently are a great example of this; it’s not “this is demonstrably worse,” it’s “change makes me uncomfortable.”
I do totally appreciate that changes can be genuinely problematic for a subset of users, especially the elderly, but the vitriol that gets spewed when a project overhauls a UI embarrasses me as a user.
Side note: the GIMP UI is generally pretty good these days. There’s room for improvement, and it has a learning curve (as do all complex applications, to some degree) but it’s shed a lot of its least intuitive aspects.
Firefox’s incredibly light-touch visual changes recently are a great example of this; it’s not “this is demonstrably worse,” it’s “change makes me uncomfortable.”
On mobile the changes are more obnoxious. Tabs now take up a lot of screen real estate, despite chromium being an example of being functional and efficient at that for years.
Also, changing the look just to change the look is dumb. UI/UX changes should have a benefit to them. And what people frustratingly seem unable to understand is that newer doesn’t always mean better.
there’s a vocal contingent who will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
okay but some of google’s icon changes have been really bad
Some people get used to how their daily tools work and look, so when the UI suddenly changes, our efficiency and comfort decreases until we tweak it to our liking and/or get used to it. The closest analogue I can think of, imagine that every few years you wake up to the furniture having been rearranged in your house.
I didn’t see the point of the Firefox redesign either, and had to spend some time in userchrome.css to make it not actively repulsive :/ A few weeks later now I reached the state of “eh ok”, but I still don’t think it’s an improvement.
The closest analogue I can think of, imagine that every few years you wake up to the furniture having been rearranged in your house.
maybe every few years you get a new car? it does all the same things, maybe even better things with new bells and whistles, but fuck all y’all who decided to get rid of my buttons [oldmanyellsatclouds.jif]
will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
I wonder if it’s possible to build seperate UI that sits on top of the underlying backend and can be switched easily. So that ppl from PS can start quick.
I think a lot of people underestimate the maintenance burden of options like this. It’s another trope you see often with UI changes – “just let me switch it back.”
The problem is that now, even if your UI is super nicely decoupled from your engine, everything you change under the hood is likely to need at least regression testing in two places rather than one – that workload has doubled.
As it happens, though, with your specific example, there’s someone actively maintaining a GIMP
forkmod called PhotoGIMP to achieve this, but I notice despite recent(ish) commits, they’re still a minor version and a year behind.The whole conversation reminds me of this XKCD
you just explained fairly well to me why windows decided to lock the taskbar on the bottom for a while. or at least a reason they might.
there have been several, including one that tried to look like photoshop but then ended up being malware.
Like with Linux distros and which DE you run?
You get the same with Apple fans when Apple introduces something new. They all get really angry about it.
wait until you see Lightroom vs Darktable comments :)
Amusingly, I am pretty happy with darktable. The UX is a bit kludgy, but the workflow makes a lot of sense to me. If you’ve used another mainstream RAW processor, like Lightroom, Capture One, or DxO PhotoLab, you’ll quickly be ripping through RAW files once you figure out where the handful of things you’ll frequently use are. Everything I need is supported.
I’ve made a few runs at GIMP over the years, but I’ve given up each time. It’s UI is also kludgy, but the workflows do not make sense to me. They will feel very foreign to someone who cut their teeth in Photoshop like tools. There are a ton of editors that have basically the same workflow as Photoshop. Paint.net is a good example. It’s nowhere near as full featured as Photoshop, but it’s very easy to pick up and run with if you’re familiar with Photoshop.
For decades, the only thing they needed was clean, easy Action and Macro support.
Most photographers use half a dozen pretty simple actions that they are absolutely incapable of recreating in gimp. Most photogs are technically competant in very VERY narrow fields. Most of them use paint away the ______ which just masks, sets up a specific color channel and lets you math the removal of that color with brushes.
Now, you need to add in context-aware fill, outpainting and sky replacement.
Yes, nothing says
Hell hath no fury
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I don’t know, I just cannot get used to it and I don’t like the shortcut keys.
Yeah its called hyperbole, you should try it sometime.
Seriously though, as someone who’s main creative outlet is game dev (among other forms of programming), if I can learn a new engine, including new languages and core concepts required to work with the new tools, they can learn to locate some icons and context menus that moved.
Like Jesus, what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
You’re just dismissing the claims that the UI is bad and bolstering your ability to adapt. Why can’t everyone be just like you? That’s not how the world works.
what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
If your question were real, you’d probably know that everyone complains about UI changes with updates. Usually it’s a temporary annoyance forgotten a week later. Other times, such as windows 11, they switch OSes. People with UI preferences aren’t broken and they don’t owe you anything. Stubbornly rejecting feedback might get you upvotes itt, but it won’t get you very far elsewhere.
Like Jesus, what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
Man oh man, let me tell you: some people just never upgrade
