• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    10 hours ago

    Someone translate: the victims are gagged from exercising their freedom of speech? How so?

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      4 hours ago

      You can say whatever you like, but someone can also sue you for any reason at all. Even a completely baseless lawsuit can ruin someone who doesn’t already have millions of dollars to fight it in court.

      Usually a news organization will guarantee that their lawyers will defend the people they interview in court to encourage them to speak. The large news organizations made millions from increased viewership because they gave Trump hundreds of hours of free screen time beginning from before his first election. Now they aren’t interested in putting any of that money to work to get out the truth.

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        someone can also sue you for any reason at all

        That’s always been the case. That doesn’t mean the suer will prevail. I’m pretty sure there are motions (especially with anti-SLAPP laws) defendants can file to recover all fees of baseless lawsuits.

        I’m not sure how you plausibly get that interpretation from the comic: nothing about lawsuits or disparity in economic power is indicated. This other reading of the comic seems more plausible.

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      9 hours ago

      All the media outlets want to hear a statement from the accomplices, for instance Trump, but they aren’t talking. The victims would want to talk but aren’t getting the platform they should be getting

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        8 hours ago

        Thanks, that’s a reasonable interpretation. Then not really about the suppression of freedom of speech?

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          On the face no, but it is more complicated than that. It is known that the government exerts a ton of influence over media and wealthy people exert a ton of control over the government and also own all the major media outlets. It is definitely a conspiracy at this point to control the narrative.

          If all of these entities were actually independent like they are supposed to be, this wouldn’t be a free speech issue. Unfortunately that is not the world we are living in.

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      10 hours ago

      Maybe not explicitly, but pretty much every Trump supporter has told them to stfu, in so many words

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        10 hours ago

        Telling them to STFU obligates them not to exercise their free speech? I don’t see where that gags anyone.

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          Again, maybe not explicitly. They’re covering for pedophiles. I’m sure you’re ok with that

          I guarantee you missed any nuance in this comic. It’s ok, adults are talking

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            They’re covering for pedophiles. I’m sure you’re ok with that

            Consequentialist fallacy: outcomes have no bearing on whether a conclusion logically follows from premises.

            Circular reasoning: the outcome assumes your conclusion (that STFU can suppress freedom of speech, which is unsupported) is true.

            Freedom of speech means you can tell anyone to STFU, and they’re free to speak regardless.

            Moreover, as widely reported in the press, the communities who promoted rightwing conspiracy theories about Jeffery Epstein (extracted from more general conspiracy theories that a shadowy cabal of deep state elites runs pedophile rings to harvest adrenochrome) are the Trump voters. They’re the Trump supporters with a longer record than anyone of pushing for the release of those files. Top officials like Kash Patel & Dan Bondingo sprang right out of that community.

            It’s ok, adults are talking

            Condescension, and we should expect adults to respect logic. Are you an adult? If so, that’s unfortunate.

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              You need a foundation in what freedom of speech is and then pair that with the complicated reality we are facing. Your definition of freedom of speech is nonsensical at best.

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                  Freedom of speech refers to government action in public space to suppress speech it does not agree with.

                  For instance, in our colleges there was some pro-palestine demonstrations. In Florida the government issued a decree to disband SJC. This is classic suppression of free speech because it involves a government action in a public space.

                  Because we live in a fascist oligarchy though it becomes complicated because corporations simultaneously are controlled and control the government. This merger of the state and corporations complicates the simple definition of freedom of speech.

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                    It’s freedom from legal (or government) sanction, censorship, or retaliation for expressing opinions or ideas.

                    Because we live in a fascist oligarchy

                    corporations simultaneously are controlled and control the government

                    That’s a stretch. Where was that government control of private companies during the Biden administration or previous administrations dating back to the beginning of the Epstein crimes? Is the government controlling MSNBC, New York Times, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS? Private companies aren’t legal authorities, and they aren’t legally obligated to repeat or broadcast anyone’s speech: that’s how social media nowadays defends deplatforming. Would your claim mean that deplatforming suppresses free speech?

                    Trump supporters saying STFU doesn’t amount to legal sanctions. I’ve only seen the Trump administration evade, deny, or deflect. Where are the legal sanctions suppressing the speech of Epstein victims?