DNC platform is tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs. They have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years, currently 45. The last time they had 58 for less than two months they caucused with 2 independents to pass Medicaid. They would have launched a Public Option identical to Germany’s healthcare if not for one of those independents opposing it.
DNC is liberal, DNC is on our side, Vote DNC. Or, if an independent polls higher, then vote for them because at least they’re not a Republican and removing every single Republican should be our goal.
Oh I will, but not for any incumbents. This current batch is most definitely NOT on our side, but the DNC is just a container, it’s filled with a liquid that has gone bad.
We pour out the contents of the container and replace it with something that hasn’t gone bad yet.
The DNC has had multiple opportunities to tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs during my lifetime and they have not done so once. I don’t believe them anymore when they say it’s their platform.
Being anti-Republican isn’t enough anymore. This shit will keep happening for as long as we allow private ownership of the means of production.
Many democrats are on our side. Historically, traditionally the DNC AKA leadership absolutely isn’t. There have been some changes in recent history. And that’s good. But till there’s enough history to plot out a new pattern of behavior. We’d be fools to treat them as if they changed.
The biggest problem with the Democratic party for decades has been that they’re serving two masters. Lip-service to the voters to try and get their neoliberal candidates in office. But legislating largely for the major donors that took over funding the party once Reagan broke the unions. The DNC talks the talk. But atm are unable to walk the walk. I hope that changes soon. With each death and retirement, things look a little better for them.
Well I want people on my side who actually DO something.
You can be on my side all you want, but unless you’re just marching with us, I want you to have some fucking balls and political capital if you’re going to fight for me on a policy level.
It’s largely leadership that keeps anything from getting done
THEY ARE THE LEADERSHIP
Christ it’s like the right still talking about the “Deep state” when they are deeper in the state than an Alabama hog farmer and his prize sow. Nah fam I am done playing the shell-game of accountability.
Dem “leadership” does nothing but field candidates they know will lose, and write stern letters to the people funding death squads. They are ineffectual because they don’t want to win. I don’t even care if I’m painting the whole party with too broad a brush, because whoever is in there still on our side don’t seem to have the power or will to go against their party in any meaningful capacity.
Flush the toilet, sink the turds, fill the bowl with new turds and lets see if they sink or float.
AOC and Mamdani are leadership? Did anyone tell them or the DNC that?
The closest we’re getting to a shell game here is painting with a broad brush and lumping them all into one shell. You’re never going to get the old guard out if you continue to make enemies of the ones actually working to do it.
Who’s talking about Mamdani, Mamdani is the model of what we want, he is a representation of broad-scale, grassroots campaigning and electoral reform. But he’s not a leader of our federal system, he’s a mayor. But we need a lot more of what we did in New York across the whole country so that when we do get new leaders, they are supported on a state level.
For the rest of the incumbents in power, they ARE leaders of our country, and I hold them to a higher standard. I don’t support their genocide enabling, stern-letter-writing, lack of capitalization on their platform and complete fealty to the wealthy. They ARE my fucking enemy. FLUSH THEM ALL.
Maybe I don’t understand what you’re promoting, but I have to push back on any support for our current Democratic leadership, they are worse than Republicans, they are worse in every way because they are supposed to be our opposition and are secretly conspiring. At least the right sometimes believe what they’re promoting because they’re stupid.
Absolutely possible, though, less likely. He at least seems to show some introspection and ability to learn. But you’re not wrong to be wary of him considering his past stances.
They’re not enough, not on their own. It’s a signal sure, but it’s a signal that DNC has to fight harder to preserve their power and status-quo, so they will fight harder to both squash up-and-coming leftist leaders as well as reform their image to pretend to be working towards social change.
Actual progressives are not compatible with the current Dem party, the old-guard has the political capital of old money and plenty of donors who work across the aisle, the dems just have the “soft populist” presentation where the GOP has the “hard power” presentation, but they both serve the same masters.
If we want new Mamdani’s and the like to rise to power we have to flush this entire Democrat party in congress and senate. I don’t trust any of them, I don’t care if good people are caught in the wash, we will do better in this case with the devil we don’t know.
Fetterman was always shit. Long before he was elected. Still better than memeht oz. But yes, AOC has significantly pushed back against neoliberal leadership. Not perfect by any means. But some small hope for future improvement as more like her get elected.
And I feel more and more that they only say these are their platforms because they have absolutely no chance of pulling any of it off so it’s safe to promise but they won’t be required to do the negotiating and political work to make it happen, especially if the entire party isn’t aligned behind the goal. It’s very easy to make promises for things but so far none of that has panned out on a federal level.
they have absolutely no chance intention of pulling any of it off
I corrected this slightly, but you’re right. They know that none of it is actually going to get done, and they have the excuses already lined up: not enough votes, obstruction, filibuster, parliamentarian, etc. etc. etc.
It’s the same reason some billionaires insist that they support higher taxation on themselves, because they know it is never going to happen.
The Dems had control for a few months in 2011, and that was when they passed the ACA. That was the only point in my lifetime they controlled the government.
The last time before that was 1961-1969. Which included such legislation as the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act, though in sure you can find plenty more that was passed.
Not to mention that the Dems have absolutely been discussing progressive legislation. It’s failed to pass, passed and then been vetoed, or even at times been passed and then struck down by conservative courts.
And also, itd be great if senators like Bernie, Warren and others, actually called out their “peers” who are obviously blocking progress.
I think my two Senators: Kaine, and Warner are playing a shell game where they go as corporate as they can and still give the appearance of resistance.
And yet I ha e to vote for them until there is a viable alternative. Its just so frustrating the lack of transparency.
And yet I ha e to vote for them until there is a viable alternative.
This coming November there will likely be challengers to almost every Dem seat, people smell how fed up the populace is with current DNC leadership and will likely throw their hats in the ring.
DNC is a container. We pour out the contents of the container and fill it with something new.
Honestly, I think voting for them isn’t even enough. We have to promote them. We have to outwardly support them and not talk shit about them online or in public, or else they will lose to a Republican and we’ll be all that much worse off.
We have to promote them. We have to outwardly support them and not talk shit about them online or in public
I mean, I get that you’re saying we need more solidarity, and we do, but this isn’t how. We absolutely have to throw away the current batch of current Dem reps and leadership and then elect new people to those seats and get behind THOSE people.
The DNC and old-guard establishment does NOT have our back, in most cases they have the exact same donors as the right. They have no intention of doing anything to help us.
It was suspicious how many accounts claiming to be left-leaning all of a sudden in like, July 2024 decided to suddenly buy the lies the GOP had been selling for years that Biden was old and senile just because he has a stutter.
The DNC does need to have better primaries though. Which means people PARTICIPATING in them. But also not allowing people like Bloomberg to buy their way in. To actually HOLD primaries like they didn’t for Biden’s incumbent campaign.
I mean, depends on your definition of “talking shit” is. If you would describe what I said as “talking sbit” I think that makes the party way too inwardly focused, and almost “cult of personality” like we see from the republicans.
The good thing about the democratic party is the wide tent and diversity of strategies. We need to be more transparent and proove ourselves since we dont (alway) have millionaire and billionaire funding.
I would not slander Democrats and still encourage voting, but to take a different stance, I cant exactly enourage Palestinians to vote for a candidate that actively promoted the genocide of their people. So its tricky, and open primaries and diqlog really clarify all that.
What do you even mean? I did vote. And just because someone feels ok voting foe someone doesnt mean others do. Are you saying all muslims are the same? Wow.
Edit to be clear, I went out and knocked doors for that election too (2024), but I refused to campaign explicitely for the higher ups, and focused on local candidates I actually believed in. This drives interest up the ticket.
Donald has the same amount of power that Clinton, Obama, and Biden had.
The problem isn’t a lack of power. It’s their predilection to enrich themselves at the expense of their constituents. The only difference is Donald isn’t offering shitty excuses like Dems do.
DNC platform is tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs. They have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years, currently 45. The last time they had 58 for less than two months they caucused with 2 independents to pass Medicaid. They would have launched a Public Option identical to Germany’s healthcare if not for one of those independents opposing it.
DNC is liberal, DNC is on our side, Vote DNC. Or, if an independent polls higher, then vote for them because at least they’re not a Republican and removing every single Republican should be our goal.
Oh I will, but not for any incumbents. This current batch is most definitely NOT on our side, but the DNC is just a container, it’s filled with a liquid that has gone bad.
We pour out the contents of the container and replace it with something that hasn’t gone bad yet.
The DNC has had multiple opportunities to tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs during my lifetime and they have not done so once. I don’t believe them anymore when they say it’s their platform.
Being anti-Republican isn’t enough anymore. This shit will keep happening for as long as we allow private ownership of the means of production.
No, I’m pretty sure Democrats are for more funding for ICE. Don’t project your ideals into these ghouls.
What a forsaken day to browse Lemmy
Many democrats are on our side. Historically, traditionally the DNC AKA leadership absolutely isn’t. There have been some changes in recent history. And that’s good. But till there’s enough history to plot out a new pattern of behavior. We’d be fools to treat them as if they changed.
The biggest problem with the Democratic party for decades has been that they’re serving two masters. Lip-service to the voters to try and get their neoliberal candidates in office. But legislating largely for the major donors that took over funding the party once Reagan broke the unions. The DNC talks the talk. But atm are unable to walk the walk. I hope that changes soon. With each death and retirement, things look a little better for them.
Well I want people on my side who actually DO something.
You can be on my side all you want, but unless you’re just marching with us, I want you to have some fucking balls and political capital if you’re going to fight for me on a policy level.
Everyone does. AOC and Mamdani literally are marching with us. It’s largely leadership that keeps anything from getting done or changing. Blame them.
THEY ARE THE LEADERSHIP
Christ it’s like the right still talking about the “Deep state” when they are deeper in the state than an Alabama hog farmer and his prize sow. Nah fam I am done playing the shell-game of accountability.
Dem “leadership” does nothing but field candidates they know will lose, and write stern letters to the people funding death squads. They are ineffectual because they don’t want to win. I don’t even care if I’m painting the whole party with too broad a brush, because whoever is in there still on our side don’t seem to have the power or will to go against their party in any meaningful capacity.
Flush the toilet, sink the turds, fill the bowl with new turds and lets see if they sink or float.
AOC and Mamdani are leadership? Did anyone tell them or the DNC that?
The closest we’re getting to a shell game here is painting with a broad brush and lumping them all into one shell. You’re never going to get the old guard out if you continue to make enemies of the ones actually working to do it.
Who’s talking about Mamdani, Mamdani is the model of what we want, he is a representation of broad-scale, grassroots campaigning and electoral reform. But he’s not a leader of our federal system, he’s a mayor. But we need a lot more of what we did in New York across the whole country so that when we do get new leaders, they are supported on a state level.
For the rest of the incumbents in power, they ARE leaders of our country, and I hold them to a higher standard. I don’t support their genocide enabling, stern-letter-writing, lack of capitalization on their platform and complete fealty to the wealthy. They ARE my fucking enemy. FLUSH THEM ALL.
I was. Literally what I was talking about in the post you replied to before this. Did you reply to the wrong person?
Maybe I don’t understand what you’re promoting, but I have to push back on any support for our current Democratic leadership, they are worse than Republicans, they are worse in every way because they are supposed to be our opposition and are secretly conspiring. At least the right sometimes believe what they’re promoting because they’re stupid.
We can fix stupid, we can’t fix evil.
we are? leadership is the dnc.
I agree. We largely agree. So I’m not sure what the disagreement is.
Yeah, like three of them.
And the rest are fighting harder to stop Democrats who actually are on our side than they are against fascists: people like Mamdani and Platner.
Yep, but thankfully it looks like Mamdani and Platner might be changing the equation. Fingers crossed.
Platner could easily be Fetterman v2.
Absolutely possible, though, less likely. He at least seems to show some introspection and ability to learn. But you’re not wrong to be wary of him considering his past stances.
They’re not enough, not on their own. It’s a signal sure, but it’s a signal that DNC has to fight harder to preserve their power and status-quo, so they will fight harder to both squash up-and-coming leftist leaders as well as reform their image to pretend to be working towards social change.
Actual progressives are not compatible with the current Dem party, the old-guard has the political capital of old money and plenty of donors who work across the aisle, the dems just have the “soft populist” presentation where the GOP has the “hard power” presentation, but they both serve the same masters.
If we want new Mamdani’s and the like to rise to power we have to flush this entire Democrat party in congress and senate. I don’t trust any of them, I don’t care if good people are caught in the wash, we will do better in this case with the devil we don’t know.
No one said they were. It’s a start. Not the end game.
Like AOC and Fetterman?
Fetterman was always shit. Long before he was elected. Still better than memeht oz. But yes, AOC has significantly pushed back against neoliberal leadership. Not perfect by any means. But some small hope for future improvement as more like her get elected.
And their campaign promises have so much value, clearly.
And I feel more and more that they only say these are their platforms because they have absolutely no chance of pulling any of it off so it’s safe to promise but they won’t be required to do the negotiating and political work to make it happen, especially if the entire party isn’t aligned behind the goal. It’s very easy to make promises for things but so far none of that has panned out on a federal level.
I corrected this slightly, but you’re right. They know that none of it is actually going to get done, and they have the excuses already lined up: not enough votes, obstruction, filibuster, parliamentarian, etc. etc. etc.
It’s the same reason some billionaires insist that they support higher taxation on themselves, because they know it is never going to happen.
Maybe if we had more than 48 we could find out. Let’s call their bluff.
Every time the Dems have had a majority in my lifetime, they have failed to even discuss progressive legislation, let alone try to enact it.
The Dems had control for a few months in 2011, and that was when they passed the ACA. That was the only point in my lifetime they controlled the government.
The last time before that was 1961-1969. Which included such legislation as the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act, though in sure you can find plenty more that was passed.
Not to mention that the Dems have absolutely been discussing progressive legislation. It’s failed to pass, passed and then been vetoed, or even at times been passed and then struck down by conservative courts.
I agree.
And also, itd be great if senators like Bernie, Warren and others, actually called out their “peers” who are obviously blocking progress.
I think my two Senators: Kaine, and Warner are playing a shell game where they go as corporate as they can and still give the appearance of resistance.
And yet I ha e to vote for them until there is a viable alternative. Its just so frustrating the lack of transparency.
This coming November there will likely be challengers to almost every Dem seat, people smell how fed up the populace is with current DNC leadership and will likely throw their hats in the ring.
DNC is a container. We pour out the contents of the container and fill it with something new.
Honestly, I think voting for them isn’t even enough. We have to promote them. We have to outwardly support them and not talk shit about them online or in public, or else they will lose to a Republican and we’ll be all that much worse off.
I mean, I get that you’re saying we need more solidarity, and we do, but this isn’t how. We absolutely have to throw away the current batch of current Dem reps and leadership and then elect new people to those seats and get behind THOSE people.
The DNC and old-guard establishment does NOT have our back, in most cases they have the exact same donors as the right. They have no intention of doing anything to help us.
It was suspicious how many accounts claiming to be left-leaning all of a sudden in like, July 2024 decided to suddenly buy the lies the GOP had been selling for years that Biden was old and senile just because he has a stutter.
The DNC does need to have better primaries though. Which means people PARTICIPATING in them. But also not allowing people like Bloomberg to buy their way in. To actually HOLD primaries like they didn’t for Biden’s incumbent campaign.
I mean, depends on your definition of “talking shit” is. If you would describe what I said as “talking sbit” I think that makes the party way too inwardly focused, and almost “cult of personality” like we see from the republicans.
The good thing about the democratic party is the wide tent and diversity of strategies. We need to be more transparent and proove ourselves since we dont (alway) have millionaire and billionaire funding.
I would not slander Democrats and still encourage voting, but to take a different stance, I cant exactly enourage Palestinians to vote for a candidate that actively promoted the genocide of their people. So its tricky, and open primaries and diqlog really clarify all that.
Muslim Imams and Leaders Letter to the Community on the 2024 Elections:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25194305-muslim-imams-and-leaders-letter-to-the-community-on-the-2024-elections-vfinal/
If they could do it then you can, too.
What do you even mean? I did vote. And just because someone feels ok voting foe someone doesnt mean others do. Are you saying all muslims are the same? Wow.
Edit to be clear, I went out and knocked doors for that election too (2024), but I refused to campaign explicitely for the higher ups, and focused on local candidates I actually believed in. This drives interest up the ticket.
Nonsense.
Donald has the same amount of power that Clinton, Obama, and Biden had.
The problem isn’t a lack of power. It’s their predilection to enrich themselves at the expense of their constituents. The only difference is Donald isn’t offering shitty excuses like Dems do.