If it’s a crime against property? Hell yeah, you’re damn right I’m a fan. If it’s a crime against a person? There are other ways of preventing that than a police force, which were originally created to protect property.
Well, to start with, violent crimes against people are statistically greater in places with higher wealth inequality and lower social safety nets, so addressing those issues is going to have a huge impact. Mental health services also make an impact. Secondly, police actually rarely directly prevent violent crime. Their main function in that respect is as an investigation service after the fact. That role would be better suited to an investigative body made up of other professionals, e.g. social workers, forensic scientists, doctors and sociologists. Thirdly, when intervention in response to ongoing violent crime is required, you could have a specialised rapid response service that doesn’t waste the billions to trillions of dollars that current, ineffective police forces cost the public purse yearly. Another option would be community prevention groups. This was part of the function the Black Panthers sought to take up alongside their other social programs, discouraging violent crime by acting as a neighbourhood watch.
Those are great measures, extremely important ones. Reduction is important. Police are incredibly over funded, not trained, and other tasks forces are important for mental health issues.
Typically they’re more in the vein of preventing those who do it from re offending, yes. Of which it’s quite poor at with our capitalist prison system.
Thirdly, when intervention in response to ongoing violent crime is required, you could have a specialised rapid response service
That I also agree with. However, that is, in fact, cops.
It’s important to realize that while bringing everyone up will massively reduce violent crime, it will not eliminate it. You always have horrifying abusers, and people who take hoy in violence.
The current police suck ass at investigation. They don’t do shit. Putting together an effective force that has specialized teams for necessary services rather than a one size fits nothing is a much, MUCH better solution.
There’s no practical reason that investigative services would need to be provided by the police, and many good reasons it shouldn’t be. As well, would a rapid response service still be the police if their other functions have been stripped away? Would an independent investigative service or traffic enforcement still also be the police?
As well, focussing on the small minority that are convicted of heinous violent crimes is a distraction from the actual issues in my opinion. I like to believe we can come together as a society and brainstorm a better system.
Would an independent investigative service or traffic enforcement still also be the police?
Yes. The branch of law in charge of enforcement are and always will be cops no matter what form they take.
There’s no practical reason that investigative services would need to be provided by the police
Yes, there is. When investigating potentially dangerous suspects or areas, it’s important to have people trained to deal with that. Like actually trained, unlike present forces.
It’s a small portion that commit violent crimes, but violent crimes are not the only ones that create risk to others. You need to have investigatory forces for safety standards, both in the work place and on the roads, even in a socialist society.
Plus, a small number of violent criminals can disproportionately enforce fear upon a larger population if not dealt with properly by the law, so it is a necessary consideration.
As well, focussing on the small minority that are convicted of heinous violent crimes is a distraction from the actual issues in my opinion.
While it is often overstated by an incredible margin (see Chicago for a prime example) that doesn’t make violent crimes not actual issues. It’s important to see issues as proportionate as they are, but also realize that dealing with small issues is still important, especially as to keep them from blossoming into larger ones.
. I like to believe we can come together as a society and brainstorm a better system.
Our system is broken. Police as they are need to be abolished and burned to the ground as an institution, replaced with a force that isn’t built on a foundation of violence and protecting the rich.
If it’s a crime against property? Hell yeah, you’re damn right I’m a fan. If it’s a crime against a person? There are other ways of preventing that than a police force, which were originally created to protect property.
Like what?
Well, to start with, violent crimes against people are statistically greater in places with higher wealth inequality and lower social safety nets, so addressing those issues is going to have a huge impact. Mental health services also make an impact. Secondly, police actually rarely directly prevent violent crime. Their main function in that respect is as an investigation service after the fact. That role would be better suited to an investigative body made up of other professionals, e.g. social workers, forensic scientists, doctors and sociologists. Thirdly, when intervention in response to ongoing violent crime is required, you could have a specialised rapid response service that doesn’t waste the billions to trillions of dollars that current, ineffective police forces cost the public purse yearly. Another option would be community prevention groups. This was part of the function the Black Panthers sought to take up alongside their other social programs, discouraging violent crime by acting as a neighbourhood watch.
Those are great measures, extremely important ones. Reduction is important. Police are incredibly over funded, not trained, and other tasks forces are important for mental health issues.
Typically they’re more in the vein of preventing those who do it from re offending, yes. Of which it’s quite poor at with our capitalist prison system.
That I also agree with. However, that is, in fact, cops.
It’s important to realize that while bringing everyone up will massively reduce violent crime, it will not eliminate it. You always have horrifying abusers, and people who take hoy in violence.
The current police suck ass at investigation. They don’t do shit. Putting together an effective force that has specialized teams for necessary services rather than a one size fits nothing is a much, MUCH better solution.
There’s no practical reason that investigative services would need to be provided by the police, and many good reasons it shouldn’t be. As well, would a rapid response service still be the police if their other functions have been stripped away? Would an independent investigative service or traffic enforcement still also be the police?
As well, focussing on the small minority that are convicted of heinous violent crimes is a distraction from the actual issues in my opinion. I like to believe we can come together as a society and brainstorm a better system.
Yes. The branch of law in charge of enforcement are and always will be cops no matter what form they take.
Yes, there is. When investigating potentially dangerous suspects or areas, it’s important to have people trained to deal with that. Like actually trained, unlike present forces.
It’s a small portion that commit violent crimes, but violent crimes are not the only ones that create risk to others. You need to have investigatory forces for safety standards, both in the work place and on the roads, even in a socialist society.
Plus, a small number of violent criminals can disproportionately enforce fear upon a larger population if not dealt with properly by the law, so it is a necessary consideration.
While it is often overstated by an incredible margin (see Chicago for a prime example) that doesn’t make violent crimes not actual issues. It’s important to see issues as proportionate as they are, but also realize that dealing with small issues is still important, especially as to keep them from blossoming into larger ones.
Our system is broken. Police as they are need to be abolished and burned to the ground as an institution, replaced with a force that isn’t built on a foundation of violence and protecting the rich.