No. And I’ll explain— I personally know a few good cops that have made reports against cops for breaking their oath. Two of which were excessive use of force. Do you know where those reports went? Straight to the trash because the “bad cop” knew more of the higher ups than the good cop that reported them. So what is the good cop supposed to do then? It takes way more than just one or two good cops reporting the bad ones. The people above them have to take the reports seriously. And I think that’s where the good cop credibility gets tossed out the window.
What are your honest thoughts on this? Id love for this to be an actual conversation and not a pissing argument of going back and forth.
The problem with ‘good cop’ logic is that after a while it becomes a distinction without a difference because of what you just described. Eventually the system grinds them down and they either quit or accept it for what it is.
So maybe the more accurate sentiment would be “cops either quit with their principles intact or fall in line because the system doesn’t allow ‘good cops’ to stay that way” but it’s a little bit clunkier than the shorthand.
That still means ACAB is true. They either quit (no longer a cop) or they become a bastard. “Good” cops that haven’t reached either of those outcomes yet are just Schrödinger’s Cop.
Do you know where those reports went? Straight to the trash because the “bad cop” knew more of the higher ups than the good cop that reported them. So what is the good cop supposed to do then? It takes way more than just one or two good cops reporting the bad ones. The people above them have to take the reports seriously. And I think that’s where the good cop credibility gets tossed out the window.
It seems like you understand that your argument does more to hurt your point than help it. That story is exactly why people say ACAB because even the “good ones” eventually get broken down by the system (assuming they don’t get terminated or end up getting shot somehow during duty) and end up going along with it.
There’s no such thing as a good cop that contributes to maintaining the current status quo, and if you’re on the force, then that’s what you’re doing. Including very simply by being tools for people to point too and say “look, good cops exist” which is what you seem to be doing here.
No. And I’ll explain— I personally know a few good cops that have made reports against cops for breaking their oath. Two of which were excessive use of force. Do you know where those reports went? Straight to the trash because the “bad cop” knew more of the higher ups than the good cop that reported them. So what is the good cop supposed to do then? It takes way more than just one or two good cops reporting the bad ones. The people above them have to take the reports seriously. And I think that’s where the good cop credibility gets tossed out the window.
What are your honest thoughts on this? Id love for this to be an actual conversation and not a pissing argument of going back and forth.
I know a few cops too.
The problem with ‘good cop’ logic is that after a while it becomes a distinction without a difference because of what you just described. Eventually the system grinds them down and they either quit or accept it for what it is.
So maybe the more accurate sentiment would be “cops either quit with their principles intact or fall in line because the system doesn’t allow ‘good cops’ to stay that way” but it’s a little bit clunkier than the shorthand.
My father is a cop, hes also a fascist pig (not that those two things contradict).
I would say that’s pretty spot on actually.
That still means ACAB is true. They either quit (no longer a cop) or they become a bastard. “Good” cops that haven’t reached either of those outcomes yet are just Schrödinger’s Cop.
Only takes one good cop, or good person, to get rid of a bad cop.
We just don’t have that many.
It seems like you understand that your argument does more to hurt your point than help it. That story is exactly why people say ACAB because even the “good ones” eventually get broken down by the system (assuming they don’t get terminated or end up getting shot somehow during duty) and end up going along with it.
There’s no such thing as a good cop that contributes to maintaining the current status quo, and if you’re on the force, then that’s what you’re doing. Including very simply by being tools for people to point too and say “look, good cops exist” which is what you seem to be doing here.
And that’s where this conversation will end. Because you seem to be of the mindset that all cops are bad no matter what. Good day to you.
Yes, I believe that ACAB is true, I thought as much was obvious. Have a good day though! 💜
Do you think there is ever a situation where a Nazi is a good person?