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Has there been evidence he’s Christian and conservative/republican? I know his family is, but that’s not really enough.
I’m not attacking the point being made, I just haven’t seen any evidence, and would certainly like to.
Not Christian, Mormon which is actually quite the distinction here.
And just because he was raised Mormon does not mean he still follows the faith of his parents.
Evidence he was strictly conservative is slim. There is good commentary about this over on (slight retch) reddit in /r/exmormon including the violent aspects of Mormon scripture and how many Mormons hate both Democrats and Republicans.
Mormons are Christians though. Just because some other Christians don’t want them in their club doesn’t make their flavor of Jesus worship less valid.
That’s like saying “Christians are actually Jewish though. Just because some other Jews don’t want them in their club doesn’t make their flavor of worship less valid.”
They literally have their own holy books that don’t exist for other flavors of Christianity, just as Christianity has their own holy books that don’t exist for Judaism.
Not all Christians study the same Bible, are they not all Christian?
As an ex Mormon i would consider Mormons Christian. All religion is made up anyway.
I just realized that telling people who identify as Christian that they can’t be real Christians because of XYZ is a really silly thing to be saying on this forum.
Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died on the cross and was resurrected three days later. Do Mormons not believe this?
They do, but they also believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers.
There are some pretty dramatic departures from what most people would consider fundamental Christian doctrine, like the belief that there are three levels of heaven, and if you get to the best level of heaven you can become a god of your own planet. Then you and your harem of wives can pump out spirit babies to populate your planet for time and all eternity.
The only way to get to the best level of heaven is to participate in a series of secretive temple ceremonies. Members are kept completely in the dark until they arrive at the temple and suddenly they’re learning secret handshakes, being given secret names and vowing to slit their own throats and disembowel themselves should they ever reveal the secrets of the temple.
I think Joseph Smith would’ve had a much longer life if he’d just been a fiction writer and left it at that.
Some of what you’re saying can just as easily be applied to Catholicism. They can’t be Christian because they also worship Mary and think she’s just as much a path to salvation as Jesus. They have special rules about who can get into heaven and how, and they’ve got limbo, etc.
What you’re saying about Mormonism being a cult is true, but being a cult doesn’t exclude them from being Christian.
Mormons also believe that what most Christians concieve of as God, is actually more of just the local demigod of this Solar System, not the entire universe, who comes from a line of other demigods before him, not being the uh, uncreated creator that existed prior to the universe itself, and has domain over all of it.
Reminds me of Dragon Ball Z.
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Further, should you be a good and proper enough Mormon, you get to go to the super duper highest level of the top 1/3rd of Mormon afterlife outcomes, whereby you too can become a local demigod of your own solar system!
… If you are a man.
You have to be a married man to pull this off, get the secret Temple names with the underwear and all that, donate a LOT to the Church… but wifey… nah she does not get a shot at becoming a demigod, she’s just a demigod’s wife.
Basically no other Christians believe that any man can become godlike.
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Mormons also don’t believe in the Trinity.
Their idea of Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit is more or less that they are all seperate and distinct entities, not triune paradox of simultaneous distinction and indistinction.
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Beyond the more … historical fan fiction type additions to the existing lore, fucking with those three core tenets is sufficient for most American Christians to deem Mormons as sacreligious heretics.
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To try and wrap this around:
Just because all Dragon Ball Z fans believe Goku ‘killed’ Frieza on Namek…
Does not mean they all consider Dragonball GT to be canon.
The Old Testament is literally the Jewish Tanakh re-arranged and plus or minus some books (depending on translation/edition). Only the New Testament is fully strictly Christian
Do Christians believe that Indigenous Americans are the “Lost Children of Israel” who came to the Americas over the land bridge in Alaska and that Jesus appeared to them here in the Americas?
Because Mormons believe that, and they have an entire holy book dedicated to ideas like that beyond the New Testament just as the New Testament is beyond the Tanakh.
I honestly think Christians and Mormons would take offense to this characterization with how different their belief systems truly are while being rooted in the same ideas. Just as Jewish and Christians would take offense to being compared in the same way.
I mean, I hate fucking religion too, dawg, but this ain’t it.
Nah, Mormons absolutely consider themselves Christian. They use the term in meetings and I’m sure that I’ve seen it in their marketing material as well. They just you know, retconned Christianity to say that they were the true Christians the whole time, that the other sects mostly have their hearts in the right place but we have the only true prophet. And tbf, that’s true for all the Christian sects, the only difference really is scale.
Source: exmo
Not to belabor a point, but even if they consider themselves Christian, there’s a big difference between having different interpretations of the same book and having a whole ass other previously non-existent book that becomes part of the religious canon. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any sects of Protestant Christianity that have a whole ass other book. They have wildly different interpretations of the same book, but that is fundamentally different than having a new prophet and gospel.
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AP News reported he was not a republican but racialized by Kirk’s hate speech. Everything else seems spot on.
The christian stuff is debatable since it hasn’t been pointed out yet. Just bc your family is, doesn’t mean you are. However, it is safe to say he has been taught those values
Doubt he’s not a Republithug, those actually love using guns to murder people.
Nothing supports that. I love guns and I’m a socialist.
Do you love using guns to murder people?
Because that’s what they actually said instead of what you wanted them to say.
A fucking Groyper too. Fucking love it.
Authoritarian rule is always threatened by other authoritarians.
It’s a mental illness. That’s the only way authoritarianism can actually be a thing. It has to be a mental illness.
we don’t know it’s him stop doing the cops work for them spinning the narrative remember luigi mangione they were obviously framed cause they just needed to shut things up and yet everyone went along with it just cause he’s hot and it’s funny you think they wouldn’t do it again don’t treat this person as definitely the killer the cops say they are that doesn’t mean they are
We have a named suspect and we know the rhetoric of “The Left wants violence” and “violent Trans” suddenly disappeared.
On one hand, you’re right.
On the other, this guy makes for a wonderful scapegoat to deflect all the bigots blaming minorities. I don’t think public discourse has much of a bearing on his judicial fate, but it does have a bearing on public opinion on related topics. If blaming him gets the fash to shut their hateful gobs for once, I think that’s an acceptable sacrifice.
He’s a politically convenient suspect, but this time it’s for our convenience, and in this world, I see no reason to play by the rules of justice and truth if our enemy doesn’t obey them either.
Besides, I find it hard to feel sorry for a gun nut if they get charged with gun crimes.
Luckily, your President and members of Congress didn’t just knee-jerk feelings and assumptions and stuck to facts. It’d be really embarrassing if they just went on national TV and assumed and spread mis-information.
It’d be really embarrassing […]
It would, if they knew shame. But they don’t.
Didn’t he engrave the casings with antifa? Allegedly
