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The smart ones don’t need wikipedia to know that authority should be distrusted.
You just need one bad teacher or school admin and you should be able to figure out why you should be skeptical of all authorities, including your parents. (They could poison your food or even stab you in your sleep… so, stay alert kids, stay on guard at night 👀)
(Okay that last part I’m just half-kidding… but your parents could technically do it and you have no defense against that… 👀)
Also the entirety of the last 30 years of us politics
I don’t trust government because of the things I know my government has done.
If you don’t trust your government, then perhaps instead of just saying “American problem”, list the things you know your government has done.
That is a rather short list.
just some highlights
is this list exhaustive?
nooo
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I agree with almost all this list, but Building 7 pisses me off a bit
WhY dId BuIlDiNg 7 cOlLaPsE?
Because two of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it, causing structural damage that lead to it’s collapse.
BuT iT lOoKs LiKe A DeMoLiTiOn.
What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it’s meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?
The reason why you don’t see surrounding buildings damaged when they’re demolishing something like a British Tower-block is because they time the explosions precisely, shore up anything that might get damaged and evacuate the area. Do you really think the same thing would happen if two of the world’s largest towers had their floors slam down on each other like a squeezebox, and then had the cores collapse right next to them? Do you, hand on heart, think a building right next to that happening, wouldn’t suffer structural damage?
Wanna know something about 9/11? If the US government wanted to do a false flag, they wouldn’t fucking bother doing some long winded scheme involving thermite or explosives or missiles disguised perfectly as planes that can be debunked by people who think Occam is a razor company. They would just like whatever of the 101 major terror plots that are being planned against the US that they know about happen. Why spend millions of dollars doing it yourself when you can just fucking let the guy in Afghanistan and his buddies that you have been watching for a decade and change do what they have been planning.
That, or, and this is something people might not consider, as cruel, power hungry, and sociopathic as the world’s governments may be, they are also made up of people, some of those people fuck up, some of those people are morons. The idea that the everpresent They, (The Enby that controls the world) is hypercompetant and hyperintelegent is just something people believe to feel safer when they trust the government, and more powerful when they don’t.
Made up of people…
That sentence…
It is made up of flesh long lost to greed deeply drowned in overwhelmingly sad ego trips manipulated to do the bidding of hypercapitalist enormous autonomous demonic entities, that’s also “made up” of people, each and every single one replaceable. The vd gone the layers gone the politicians gone it will regenerate new flesh and this flesh will do its bidding or also be made to let go of its lucrative benefits that include feeding its family and another of flesh will assume his duties until that flesh no longer can and then may we finally have peace as the planet has been divided evenly among the entities and they have eaten each other until one remain.
Multiple organizations within the US government received warnings about and had information on the 9/11 attacks like a month before hand, we knew it was going to happen and let it, that’s a fact.
To be fair, I doubt that is what whoever made this had in mind but still it is a valid piece of evidence for not trusting the government.
It doesn’t take controlled demolitions or fake planes with hidden missiles or anything convoluted like that, just money. I can’t prove it, but I believe there are people in this world who cultivate extremism like it’s agriculture, and for the right fee you can order up some extremist robots to do some extremist shit.
Ghislane was invited on the 9/11 shadow commission so I’m throwing my favorite conspiracy in the ring: A handful of people at the CIA and Mossad piggybacked on an Al Qaeda operation and let it go forward to destory evidence of crimes, steal billions and create a justification for war all in one move.
No thermite needed and it doesn’t particularly matter if the Pentagon was hit by a missile or not it plays the same. Epstein files prove the rogue elements in the CIA have been there for decades. Very little hands on work needed, mostly strategic fumbling.
What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it’s meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?
like this but rotated 90 degrees why
That is weirdly satisfying.
Especially when you’re all stopped up
I agree, and feel similarly about the inclusion of operation Northwoods.
It’s most prominently a horrifying plan that was rejected and remained classified, with the proposer being replaced shortly afterwards (it’s entirely possible that’s a coincidence).Someone thinking of something horrible and then not doing it isn’t evidence that they would do something similar. There’s no particular reason to think they hid evidence because they admitted in the same deeply classified documents to doing far worse things.
I know, and you don’t need to point to Operation Northwoods to “prove” anything because American Government officials have proposed much worse things and have done much worse things.
Like MacArthur proposed using nukes like conventional bombs to completely irradiate the Korean - Chinese Border. This would not merely kill Millions, perhaps billions, but it would cause a nuclear winter. For that, MacArthur was dismissed. That was a proposal.
What people forget is that MacArthur fired upon American World War One vets protesting to get their War bonuses because of the depression during the Bonus War. You don’t need to make up conspiracies, what governments have already done/doing are bad enough.
For MacArthur, that plan, while horrific, wasn’t as bad as you’re painting it, if only because the bombs would have been much lower yield than modern nukes.
It would kill millions, especially if he used ground burst instead of air burst, but the actual global effect would be negligible. Cancer rates would spike in Northern Japan, but the fallout would mostly be over water.
Air burst would have even less effect, because there would be no fallout. (fallout is stuff from the ground that gets mixed with the radioactive material and free neutrons in a ground burst nuclear explosion, it’s heavy so it falls out)
Still an insane plan and MacArthur was justly fired for it and a bunch of other similar insanity, I just wish the Dulles brothers had been similarly fired for the shit they pulled.
Ah, great, no fallout, fuck that is great super lets detonate millions and the radiatorn will go in the ocean yay it’s not so bad yay
You’re forgetting that the singular person responsible for the decision not to do it was assassinated shortly after…
And? What happened next? Did they do an operation Northwoods? Did we go to war with Cuba? Was Johnson more aggressive on Cuba than Kennedy, or was he actually more engaged on diplomatic fronts?
I’m not forgetting anything. It just doesn’t fit with any narrative that makes a lick of goddamned sense. Like, Kennedy rejected Northwoods because he was worried the troops might be needed in Europe, so starting a war in Cuba would be a bad move.
He was strongly in favor of every other operation they proposed as part of the larger plan.Why would a massive conspiracy exist to kill Kennedy for rejecting a plan and then… Not do the plan?
No steel frame buildings in history have ever collapsed from fire. It has never happened… except for those three in one day.
Building 7 literally just caught fire and then fell. Pretty fucking weird.
Also giant buildings are designed to withstand a huge amount of torque/moment. They act like sails in the wind and it’s a catastrophe if they fall over. But additionally you really want to minimize sway so people at the top don’t get seasick in their office/apartment. But then there’s the destruction element of it. You want to do everything in your power to make sure that if a building you design to go in Manhattan of all places has to go down it goes directly down and not across the street into another building like a tragic line of dominoes.
i have been in well designed towers and poorly designed towers. the poorly designed tower was 13 floors high. it swayed like a concussed boxer. the well designed tower also swayed like fuck, but you couldn’t feel it thanks to earthquake stuff.
Basically. Buildings don’t fall like Jenga bricks. When something bad happens, they tend to implode, be it on purpose, if an airliner crashes into them, or if the aforementioned building collapses next to you and causes you structural damage.
The conspiracy was that the US government waged war against multiple countries that had nothing to do with fucking 9/11.
Speaking of building 7 specifically , no building has ever collapsed this way from fire and no building will ever again. It was not significantly damaged from the towers and the official explanation was fire. The fact that you say otherwise is disinformation and shows you are full of shit.
Oh wow, I guess this conspiracy has gone on for about 80 years now because they must have faked all the newsreel footage of buildings collapsing from fire bombings during the blitz. There’s plenty of examples of buildings collapsing to the fire, also has ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, having a Boeing 767 crash into the side of the building might have caused just a bit of damage.
9/11 conspiracy theorists are so desperate to prove that 9/11 was a masterful plan by the government that only they have figured out that they can’t even use Occam’s razor.
Why did building seven collapse? Because I had two of the world’s tallest buildings collapsed right next to it. It’s not that hard.
Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams? Well it’s a miracle then that the plane hit the only floors in the building with no flammable material inside. Everyone in there was just butt naked on asbestos floors. And there was definitely no gas line going up to the top floor for the restaurant there. Also, can we just talk about the elephant in the room, the fact that getting hit by a 767 going full tilt would cause a lot of damage?
“Oh but what about the 1945 empire state crash?” A B-25 lost in the fog is a lot slower and a lot smaller than a 767. I can think of several plane crashes where a plane crashes into a building, only four of them involved a controlled flight into the building at full tilt. Three of them are on 9/11, the fourth one was a guy copying 9/11 in a Cessna.
“Oh but what about the puffs of smoke that were clearly demolition rounds?” Yeah if only there was a reason that puffs of dust and air would pop out the windows like that, maybe something like the floors coming down very quickly?
But do you want to hear a couple of conspiracy theories?
- The American government knew that 9/11 was going to happen and sat on their hands to let it happen so they could pass Draconian laws to roll back freedoms and rights and give them the excuse to go into places like Afghanistan and Iraq.
- The agencies that you think are hypercompetent sociopaths with special technology but letting them do a false flag attack are not actually hypercompetent and dropped the ball so badly that over 3,000 people died.
Both of those conspiracy theories are just as enraging and dare I even say even more likely then the US government orchestrating 911 like a villain in a marvel movie. If you think the US government is hyper competent and in control of everything, let me remind you that during the biggest crisis of this decade, the president of the United States on live camera suggested that people should inject themselves of bleach to kill covid.
Sometimes you just need to take Occam’s razor to a conspiracy theory. And if you think that a plane crashing into something couldn’t cause structural damage severe enough to cause a building to collapse, go look up the aftermath of Lockerbie, or any plane crash featuring buildings.
And if you’re going to look at me right in the eye and tell me that having two of the world’s biggest buildings collapse right next to a building would not cause structural damage to said building, I think you need to touch grass because that’s Hobbyless behaviour.
Why did building seven collapse? Because I had two of the world’s tallest buildings collapsed right next to it. It’s not that hard.
You can’t just casually drop a historic confession like that on us, Goddamn.
Hey, you just spread misinformation. Don’t get your panties in a twist.
You implied that WTC 7 collapsed because because buildings fell into it. That is not what officially happened. It may have led to a fire, but it was the fire that supposedly compromised the steel so the entire building collapsed at once.
I can’t help that you did this. You could just correct yourself.
As I stated the real conspiracy is that we attacked two nations that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Please save me your one man quest to disprove truthers. I have studied all this for years so I can definitely say there is some truth to just about every conspiracy theory. That is what makes them believable.
Truthers represent a wide range of beliefs and many are experts in their field who pointed out many of the holes in official explanations. Not that they were right, but it is always important to challenge official US explanations.
The B25 was about 1/20th of the weight of a 767. The World Trade Centers were actually designed to withstand the impact of a 707. The 767 is still about 4 times heavier. I am sure people don’t realize the massive weight differences at play.
The reason most Truthers are obsessed with the three buildings collapsing in this way is because it never happened before. In fact, even partial collapses are pretty rare for a steal building and complete collapses from fire are pretty unheard of let alone three in one day.
Of course the unique design of the towers along with the effects of a pancake collapse are given as a good explanation of why the towers fell in this way. WT7 collapse was also related to it its unique structure of a heavy penthouse and a substructure that interfered with the support columns and required transfer trusses.
Elements of the government were aware of 9/11. The CIA and FBI were informed multiple times and failed to connect the dots so to speak as detailed in the 9/11 commission report. Intelligence is hard yo. Without a smoking gun like an order to ignore information you could probably just chalk it up to the reality of information overload.
Funny story, I knew an Iraqi National who surrendered during Desert Storm and was brought to the US. The government was training him how to fly commercial airliners even though his formal training was in the Iraqi police force as a weapons instructor. Strange coincidence for sure.
All this energy you spend is of course misplaced. It is a clever distraction to what the real conspiracies such as WMD in Iraq and Al-Qaeda in Iran. The US government certainly lied about these things to promote an illegal war of aggression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Fuk_Court_fire
They probably just built it way, way, way, worse than these Hong Kong highrises.
No WTC 7 had some really weird architecture. Otherwise it would have just burned out without collapsing.
No?
Yeah I’m not big on the 9/11 conspiracy stuff. But, I do think some kind of shady shit was going down to motivate the attackers aside from hate for the US.
You think hate for the US is insufficient?
I think you underestimate our reputation.
InappropriateJuxtaposed ads. I’ve changed the wording since everyone is missing the point. (Even though this is Lemmy shitpost after all!)Here’s a definition of the word and an example:
juxtaposed means placed side by side especially so as to permit comparison and contrast. a skyscraper juxtaposed to a church
A skyscraper and a church are quite different, even though they are both buildings that serve a purpose, one could argue they are new and old, the religion of capitalism Vs faith. I’m not condoning or condemning either.
What’s inappropriate about it?
Lol perhaps contrasting is a better word. The juxtaposition.
Like this:
Only as inappropriate as a Christmas/Easter ad on any page about the anglosphere.
Only if you’re racist, I guess.
I thought it was quite ironic.
This is all American stuff. What about British, German, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese atrocities and coverups? God knows there are terrible secrets along them all.
Get you own post, whatabouter.
It’s less whataboutism and more a comment on how you should be at least mildly distrustful of any government
Why do people always forget the Dutch. :(
Unless you’ve survived a Dutch Oven. #neverForget
Very few survive, in my experience.
My personal one: One Child Policy that almost got me “terminated”
Never gonna forget that, its a very personal grudge for me
Hell, just look back a bit for the shit done in the open.
I submit King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium. In Belgium he’s known as “the builder king” because he spent so much of his own money to build parks and civic buildings and such.
Money that was acquired through what was described at the time as Crimes Against Humanity.
King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium.
described at the time
Hmm… I wonder when these…
Leopold II was the second king of the Belgians from 1865 to 1909, and the founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State from 1885 to 1908.
Oh that’s not too long ago. “Sole owner of the Congo Free State” sounds like a contradiction tbh
Ah yes, he had a hunger only hands could satisfy.
But Leopold, that kills people
Telecommunications Act
Copyright extensions
DMCA
SAVE Act
KOSA
War on drugs
War on terror
F3EAD in Iraq/Afghanistan
Patriot Act
COINTELPRO
Operation AJAX
SOPA, PIPA, Xkeyscore
Citizens United
SCOTUS
Unequal representation
Electoral College
Corporate capture
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It’s not just those things that happened. It’s that everyone involved should have been arrested and incarcerated but it didn’t happen.
Absolutely
One of these things is not like the others
Building 7?
Buildings 1 through 6 weren’t ominous enough.
People say that Building 7 was the bees knees and Building 8 ruined it. Building 9 never existed, and Building 10 was promised to be the Building to end all Buildings. So anyway, Building 12 is coming soon.
Waco?
Yeah I’d have been alright with Janet Reno following it up with sending armed troops in to firebomb all the hundreds of cult compounds across this nation. Good riddance to those pedophile nutjobs, instead of continuing going after that sort of decay we let them fester and it contributed to the rot we see today in America. We could have made up for lost time not finishing Reconstruction, Sherman-style.
The problem with Waco was the firebombing itself. The cops wanted a big standoff rather than just arresting the cult leader when he went out into town, which he did repeatedly.
Leaderless cults can be picked apart without gunfire.
Or a pile of innocent dead kids
You know like 30 innocent little kids were killed horribly, right?
I don’t want them firebombed, but yeah the backlash against Waco is how the Zion Ranch was able to exist as long as it did. In the aftermath of Waco as long as your cult claims to be Christian and is armed the feds will let you get away with so much bs for so long.
Don’t forget about…
Agent Orange
Camp Lejeune
Vietnam Vets exposed to dirty medical equipmentHad neighbors and relatives that have been effected or died from all of these.
Government denied all wrong doing to all of these until private groups forced them to provide compensation.
Am I the only one who doesnt know about ALL of these?
There’s a list, start reading. You won’t be taught this in school, you need to educate yourself. I suggest doing it now, before the resources start to disappear, which could happen any day now.
I know A LOT, to be fair. Just not all. I feel like in cases like these, its hard to even know where to turn for sources
All of these have produced a few books each, found in a very public and open archive run by some woman named Anna. I don’t think they’ll be going away that easily.
I mean, some of them are vague to the point of being banal. The NDAA is just the bi-annual Congressional requirement to reauthorize US military operations abroad.
Why would anyone have that marked out as a conspiracy theory on the level of MK Ultra or Operation Northwoods? No reason you’d recognize the acronym as such.
NDAA authorizing almost a trillion dollars to the military industrial complex. Nothing to see here just spending that exceeds 9-10 countries.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died by US bombing in the last fifty years. I would place continuing to authorize this obtuse amount of overspending way worse than MK Ultra.
NDAA authorizing almost a trillion dollars to the military industrial complex
Congress authorizes it. I guess you could just put “Congress” on the list. Or maybe “The Pentagon”.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died by US bombing in the last fifty years.
With Iran, Syria, and Yemen you could probably get to 100k in one or two years.
Nevermind our airstrikes across Latin America, the various African states, and our collaborations with Israel in Gaza.
Hell, the US can take credit for quite a few kills in Ukraine thanks to our long standing policy of playing both ends against the middle.
But you don’t get all that out of “The NDAA exists”. We’ve been passing NDAAs since The Korean War without hitting this level of mass slaughter.
We’ve been passing NDAAs since The Korean War without hitting this level of mass slaughter.
Not contesting your overall point, but the Korean War was mass slaughter galore. The US almost completely flattened North Korea, and proportionally more North Koreans died in the war than Soviets did in WWII. If there’s a time when the US didn’t inflict mass slaughter on its enemies, it sure as hell wasn’t 1950-1953.
The fact that amount of money being spent is absolutely obscene and the NDAA is effectively the funding for the military industrial complex.
I get you don’t think it should be on the list, but an open conspiracy is still a conspiracy.
an open conspiracy is still a conspiracy.
US military hegemony isn’t a conspiracy, it’s a popular public policy
I get what you are saying, but a conspiracy is a pretty broad definition that definitely encompasses NDAA.
“Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, generally requiring intent and, in many jurisdictions, an overt act toward the goal. In the U.S., federal conspiracy (18 USC 371) to defraud or commit an offense has a 5-year statute of limitations, often starting from the last overt act.”
Considering the enormous amounts of fraud that have been committed by misusing these funds along with the lack of oversight I think it would definitely be a criminal conspiracy at this point.
Who knows how much money has been missappropiated. We may never know because no one will do the work necessary to find out. What would you call an unauditable agency that is funded by tax payer money?
It is not however a conspiracy theory if that is what you are alluding to. Also, your original point of putting in Pentagon might make more sense than the framework for funding it.
Is it as pernicious?
I don’t think “pernicious” would describe the NDAA, no.
PRISM
