• AxExRx@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Its alsways bothered me a bit that its called a tilde both when its above a letter or on its own Ñ / ~

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        10 hours ago

        I think i just found my answer on Wikipedia, in Spanish specifically, diaceitic marks as a group are referred to as tildes. And the name for the mark above ñ is a virgulila. Also, interestingly, ñ is considered a distinct letter from n, (as opposed to being an ‘n’ with an added accent) which i didnt realize…

        In english (and similarly in french) an accent refers to any of that group of ‘characters,’ which are commonly referred to as ‘glyphs’,differentiating them from characters, which would be whole letters that can be used independently) (which i think is what graficos is translating to) known as accent marks, aka diacritics.

        so á is an ‘accute accent mark’ (l’accent aigu in Fr) à is an grave accent, â is called a circumflex / accent circomflex

        and ä is an Umlaut/ trema.

        Like those last 2, the ñ is not referred to as ‘accent tilde’ just as ‘tilde’ (which to me seems fine for the others, but not the ~ because theres no other commonly used character by that name to need to disambiguation from)

        My problem was that when I took linguistics in college, I was also taking logic. To when the linguistics teacher referred to ‘ñ’ in english, he called ‘tilde n’ which was exactly the same phrase the logic professor would use to refer to ~N, aka ‘not N’.

        Making me constantly leap to ‘any letter but N,’ or ‘a theoretical negative/ converse of N’

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          6 hours ago

          ñ is considered a distinct letter from n, (as opposed to being an ‘n’ with an added accent) which i didnt realize

          Yep, it’s part of the alphabet. N (enn) then Ñ (ennyay). Also fun fact the alphabet is sometimes called the abecedario which is an amazing term IMO. It’s like a pun with the first four letters. ABCDario

          Spanish also uses Ü! But it’s not a letter on its own.