Waking up without alarm to go surfing?
Where the fuck happens that?
Usually we need to get up at fucking 7 to catch the early good waves and that’s in the single week we can afford to be somewhere at the beachAnd I know, that is already a high level of complaining, but c’mon, you can’t just sleep and go surfing whenever. The sea dictates and that’s part of the experience to feel like the little thing surfing a ball of energy in an unforgiving sea, that doesn’t give a shit about your preferences.
Do I only go to the wrong places or is this just part of her bullshit?
His bullshit, heh. It’s the dude posting.
I didn’t think the person in the post cares about good waves, I think he cares about hanging out on a beach with a morning cocktail near some surfboards
I mean, plenty of people wake up naturally well before 7, so I imagine those people could get up without an alarm to go surfing.
Too much sand. Let me commit banditry and hate crimes like my ancestor, nobody likes Utah Mormons anyway what’s the harm?
i have zero desire for riches.
i just want [riches]
Honestly this isn’t to crazy. I know some people like this who moved to Thailand and Indonesia and they work in tourism and their lifestyles are pretty much exactly like this except taking a few people out fishing or up a mountain.
You could probably even do this in the us if you found the right place. You could definitely do it in nz if you pretended like you were looking for work.
There’s loads on Airbnb experiences. When I was in LA I went out in some guys boat, he takes people out a few times a week and it pays for his boat. There was people doing guided walks round the city and stuff
“Call me unambitious, but I want the benefits of being wealthy.”
That’s all I read.
As long as you live frugally and in a reasonable COL area, this isn’t crazy expensive. Doable with a couple million in net worth. Huge difference between that and what many of the rich are worth. The reality is that a million dollars isn’t what it used to be and the fight isn’t with people with single digit millions, it’s with people with triple digit millions and up. Yes, having single digit millions feels like being rich in today’s economy to many, but, in the eyes of the truly wealthy, a single digit millionaire might as well be a destitute homeless person.
A couple of million dollars is outside the realm of possibility for 99 percent of the population at this point in time, excluding property value.
Doable with a couple million in net worth.
Stopped reading here.
The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is about a billion dollars. To a billionaire, a mere millionaire might as well be someone on welfare.
One million seconds = ~11 days
One billion seconds = 31 years
It’s not one order of magnitude - it’s three.
One billion vs one million is the difference between a dollar candy ($1) and a full-time paycheck ($1,000).
The space between a nice bottle of wine ($50) and a median priced automobile ($50,000).
The delta between an expensive night out ($250) and a fucking house ($250,000).
And ultimately,
The failure of a working class income ($30,000 - or $15/hr x 40hrs FTE) and the assholes who rule us ($30,000,000).
Soon they’ll be trillionaires, and there will be no stopping them.
They will stop themselves, their politicians will cannibalize them, silver lining!
Yes, the money on the higher end is measured using a log scale: there are people just like me, 10x richer, 100x richer, etc. simply because money helps to create money even with safe hedging.
The scale is the problem of capitalism, there’s not so much we can do about it today. What could be achieved in our lifetime, is the progressive tax scale that although does not stop exponential growth, at least it tries.
And no, fuck Europe. Progressive tax scale in Europe doesn’t flatten the exponential incomes, it affects only regular workers. Which may be good, but it’s not enough
I’m not sure these examples really do justice to the topic, they help bring the delta back to things we rationally understand but the scale between millions and billions is precisely what the major point is, since a million is already a lot then a lot of these is, like, really a lot, maaaaan.
You can totally do this with remote income of 1,000 usd/mo.
For example, in Hua Hin, Thailand you can get a small place for 300 usd/mo and remaining 700 is enough to hang out, meditate and wind surf every day. Lots of places like this around the world and it’s really not hard to make 1,000 usd/mo remotely if work on it. You can even do instructing if you get good at a particular water sport completely legally as well though you won’t be making more than 1k/mo but you’ll be making a lot of friends :)
A quote I like:
Nobody wants to solve problems. Everyone just wants to get rich enough so the problems don’t apply to them anymore.
It’s true. Same for disillusioned me nowadays too.
I just want to get rich enough to run a non profit apartment complex for my marginalized community.
We should talk. I’ve some ideas about this.
What a pessimistic take and I’d really disagree with it. Many people actually want to work on challenging problems and this “get away” mentality is mostly a symptom of people being tired out by bad systems. There are definitely people who want to hang out and do nothing but I’d say that a minority overall. People love creating stuff, period.
Yes, that was my way of thinking too some many years ago.
And all my enthusiasm and doing stuff resulted in… What I have now. A world where I have little time for myself, where I have to grind money in a job type I’m too experienced in to switch away from, in a world that keeps getting more dystopian every year.
And I watch with horror how the next generation is falling for fascist populist rethoric politics and voting for them because they feel the same way as me but lack the life experience to realize that they are voting for the wolf in sheep clothing.
Without money I can’t change anything.
I hate money and I hate that I have to want a lot of it.
Keep hold of your idealism. Perhaps it will serve you better than it has me.
Well I wish you find success soon then! 🙏
I know a left-centrist guy who seems to want to improve things but at the same time talks about not voting against landlords because one day he may live off owning a house and renting it off.
The word “centrist” has all its meaning here
I’ll raise it up by one:
The best way to solve a problem, is to make it everyone else’s problem.
There are many problems that can only be solved using money.
Not true, money don’t solve anythimg directly.
If you were, better not talk about it whatsoever though.
There’s an AI reading sentiments. So, if you decide to be selfish then change your mind.
Just behave selfish anyway, you don’t want to get sabotaged or worse.
Nobody likes to be generalized, because generalizations are shit.
I love it when I solve problems in my life. If I were rich, I’d be looking for problems to solve because otherwise I’m just a wallet keeping the money warm.
And that’s why you won’t be rich.
I said nothing about spending the money necessarily, I just won’t be idle.
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I mean, if all the wealthy did this instead of their endless grind to own more and more at the expense of everyone else, the world would be a lot better.
The ultra wealthy have a hoarding mental illness. Most people would have stopped working long before they got to the point they did.
I’ve had this same thought. Like, if I ever had the opportunity to be as rich as Bezos or Musk, I don’t think I’d make it because I would’ve stopped so much earlier.
At a certain point, I’d just think “Sweet, we’re set for life, and I can spend all my time with my wife and kids.” Why would I sacrifice that kind of life just to see numbers on my bank accounts go up in a way that no longer meaningfully affects us?
But think of how many people’s lives you could ruin with that kind of power!
Plenty of people probably did, but the ones that don’t are the ones that stand out, so they’re the ones we know. Nobody cares about the guy who made a billion dollars and fucked off somewhere; even if they’re still a blight on the country with that much wealth, we’ve got bigger fish to fry.
Like Tom from Myspace?
Tom is the exact model of how I want to see people get rich. He got his bag and then disappeared off the face of the planet. He’s not in politics trying to enact a cyberpunk state. He’s not in the news every day telling you that if you give your kids a measles shot you’re performing the work of the devil. He’s off on a beach somewhere taking photos because he loves it, not bothering a soul. Tom is an alright dude and I have no problems with him.
Hopefully they don’t fund some evil shit
GOAT.
Bezos, Musk, et al. feel that they have not yet received what the world owes them. And since that feeling is a form of psychosis, they never will.
Only thing owed them is a sharp and heavy piece of rapidly falling metal.
I live for the day I see Elon Musk’s arms and legs poking out from under an anvil, cartoon-style.
Does he drive one of his own cars?
Looks like he frequently drives Tesla cars running experimental software.
🤞🤞🤞
Well, I assume he’s chasing a roadrunner.
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I’d just think “Sweet, we’re set for life, and I can spend all my time with my wife and kids.” Why would I sacrifice that kind of life just to see numbers on my bank accounts go up in a way that no longer meaningfully affects us?
I’m sure there are a massive amount of rich people with this mindset. we just don’t hear about it cause the few that keep on getting wealthy for the sake of power ruin it for everybody
There’s a lot a billionaires and far more millionaires out there we don’t ever hear about. I think you’re probably right.
Basically the entire FIRE movement
Im poor asf and still retired. I’m living this life without the money part. I have zero need to fuck up other peoples lives just because i dont work.
Me too. Honestly, I’ve gotten to the point where I believe one is actually required to be sociopathic and all that comes with it in order to become that ultra wealthy. Capitalism essentially rewards these traits and concentrates them into the greed for power at the cost of all else that we see as a through line with these people.
People like us and most everyone else just aren’t wired that way, as ultimately we each have a limit to what and who we are willing to sacrifice for material means. We all have experienced greed to some degree within ourselves, but the difference is that it has a ‘bottom’ so to speak.
Because you have a mental disorder forcing you to do anything to feel important and validated as the genius you hope other people will see you as
They could also shut the fuck up for like five minutes but nope. We get the Met Gala instead. Rich people parading around on TV for poor people to watch. It’s insane how mentally deranged all of it is.
But what if there was more than being really, really, really good looking.
ORANGE MOCHA FRAPPUCINO!!!
…oooh, humanoid from the black hole; nice costume!..
To be fair, there are rich people that don’t make much noise but for obvious reasons you don’t tend to hear much about those ones…
In San Francisco, it’s generally considered gauche to flaunt wealth. It was funny to be treated as if I could actually afford some of the things in stores, but it beats the LA Pretty Woman attitude!
If I was a man with influence, I’d petition to get “billionair” in the dsm.
I think they spell things correctly in the DSM
I’m sorry, did you not understand me? It’s one those things you sit in while your hairdresser cuts your hair.
Probably a lot of the time, but mistakes do happen, apparently: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/saving-normal/201306/dsm-5-writing-mistakes-will-cause-great-confusion
Those don’t look like spelling errors
The blog post is non-exhaustive and from over a decade ago. You’re welcome to look at the errata and confirm they always spell everything correctly every time: https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm/updates-to-dsm/updates-to-dsm-5-tr-criteria-text
Rich people don’t relentlessly grind. They have people for that.
Yeah, exactly. This lifestyle described requires a fair amount of wealth, and yet there are many people who have that kind of wealth and choose not to live that lifestyle.
Not sure what’s worse, then you have their nepo baby kids who never worked but now have all that money and can buy whatever companies they want and make whatever shitty business decisions they want.
The ultra wealthy keep on that grind as they perpetually sustain generation after generation of failsons.
The difference between old money and new money is just how many generations back you go to the first/last grinder in the lineage.
We could have this if the systems in place didn’t provide perverse incentives for sociopaths.
We only need the will to correct the systems, but the sociopaths now have the power of highly distributed propaganda.
Yes see, we ARE correcting the system, by forcing the 5 Pro trans athletes to not be athletes and bombing Iranian kids and locking up anyone Mexican and Mexican adjacent!
/s
What would you do with a million dollars?
Nothing man. Nothing.
Man, you don’t need a million dollars to do that.
- Office Space
Slight difference between doing nothing in a building and doing nothing under an overpass though.
Two chicks at the same time.
Kind of reminds me of a sign that they have at Jimmy Johns.
The investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked…
Inside the small boat were several large fin tuna.
The banker complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them. The fisherman replied…
“Only a little while.”
The banker then asked why he didn’t stay out longer and catch more fish? The fisherman said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs.
The banker then asked…
“But what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The fisherman said…
“I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a nap with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my friends, I have a full and busy life.”
The banker scoffed…
“I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat, and with the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats. Eventually, you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to a big City, then LA and eventually NYC where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The fisherman asked…
“But, how long will this take?”
To which the banker replied…
“15-20 years.”
The fisherman thought for a moment and then asked…
“But what then?”
The banker laughed and said that’s the best part…
“When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions.”
And, once again the fisherman asked…
“Then what?”
The banker said…
“Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take naps with your wife, stroll to the village in the evening, sip wine and play your guitar with your friends!”
Oh, the irony of having that sign at a corporate workplace staffed by wage slaves.
Not to mention the guy who started Jimmy John’s … Liautaud is an avid hunter and fisherman. In an interview in 2015 with the Chicago Tribune, Liautaud said that the largest misconception about him is that people still connect him to photos of him posing with big game from 10 years ago. According to Liautaud, he used to hunt big game in Africa on legally organized safaris, but he no longer does.[7] Starting in 2015, his hunting prompted people to call for a boycott of his business.[60] - Wikipedia
No longer because they are illegal now? Also, started small, only a 25k loan from his father
25k is nothing though. Getting it from your dad is nice and certainly something not everyone can do, but let’s not pretend this is millionaire territory.
25k loan without any context doesn’t mean anything.
Let’s give it some, 25k in 1983 (when Jimmy Johns begin) has the spending power of 82k in 2026.
So if you think an 82k loan to a 19 year old (Jimmy John Liautaud age in 1983) at a probable 0% interest rate from his own further is nothing. You are disconnected from the vast financial struggles people are experiencing.
Additional fun: according to U.S. census records the median annual income in 1983 was about 25k.
Yeah, but then the fisherman became ill and he couldn’t afford treatment and lost everything. But the retired banker could fly anywhere and get the best treatment in the world then come back.
It’s perhaps a contrived and bad example, but it does show the story glosses over quite a big difference in situation between someone who can choose exactly how they live, vs someone who can just choose a few things about how they live.
The fisherman had a large family who loved him. His fishing only took an hour or two per day, so he had a lot of time left over. When he could, he loved to play with his kids, take naps with his wife, and play guitar with his friends. But, he was also available when needed for other things. If someone needed help moving, he could help. If they needed to go somewhere, he could take them in his boat. If another family in the village was going through a rough time he could stay out a bit longer, catch a few more fish, and provide for them too.
Then, one day he became ill, and treatment was expensive. He was so loved in the village that everyone took up a collection to help him. They also saved money on his bills by doing as much as they could for him. Instead of having nurses feed him and bathe him, his family and friends did that for him. Since he lived in Mexico and not the USA, his medical costs were not obscene, and he was able to pay for them all, just owing a few loans to other people in the village.
For a while, he spent a bit longer out on the boat, catching a bit more fish to sell to pay off his loans. He also took the son of one of his friends out and taught him the trade, and for that, his friend wrote off that loan. A short time later his loans were all paid off and he went back to the nice, easy fishing lifestyle.
The retired banker had no friends. He had no family. His first and second wives had divorced him because he spent all his time at the office. His kids no longer talked to him, they knew him as that man who always promised he’d come to their soccer cup finals and violin recitals, but never made it. His 22 year old sugar baby had ditched him as soon as he got the diagnosis. He did some research and decided that the best doctors in the world for his condition were in Dubai, so he arranged a private jet to Dubai, rented an apartment for a few months, and hired round-the-clock nurses to take care of him, and a personal chef to cook whatever he needed. The doctor in Dubai was the best, but he was no fool. He quoted a very high price for his services, and then when the banker was in the pre-op room, he came in, announced he was ready to go, but that there were a few other costs he forgot to mention, and he was terribly sorry but the total price was actually triple the original quote. But, if the banker wanted to back out, there was still time. The banker grumbled, but assented, silently appreciating the doctor’s hustle.
While he was under anaesthesia, his rivals struck. He’d made plenty of enemies over the years, and so when word was out that he was going under the knife, they planned their revenge. The banker was too proud to be fully retired. He still actively managed most of his money, and had a lot of it tied up in leveraged bets. His rivals jumped on them, spreading rumours on social media and calling up financial news outlets. If the banker had been conscious and online, he could have responded to the attack, but as it was, his positions were crushed ruthlessly.
When he came around after his operation, he checked his phone to see hundreds of urgent messages. He started scrambling to catch what he could. But, in the meantime, his latest payment for his nurses hadn’t gone through, so they walked out. Once he stopped the bleeding (money bleeding, not blood), he’d be able to hire some new ones, but that couldn’t be his priority yet. He had only hours left to fix his financial health, if he didn’t, then his own health didn’t matter.
And then Trump bombed Iran.
this takes me back, thank you for this
fam, you had the perfect opportunity to end with the pro wrestling match with the folding table and Hell in a Cell… BUT WITH MEXICAN WRESTLERS
This quote is powered by a trust fund. Only someone with extremely wealthy and generous parents can inhabit an environment where the idea of normal people working for the sake of working seems to make sense.
WFH at a “if you get shit done, we don’t care what your hours are” company. Or contracting with a high enough rate. I’ve done the former, now I’m doing the latter.
But this gravy train is not going to last much longer. Those companies are rare and with all the layoffs, the only way to get good contracting gigs is through industry contacts.
I still gotta work, but my minimum maintenance budget is about 40 hours a month. 100 means I can invest some, or splurge on niceties.
So I could sleep in if my toddler didn’t have kindergarten (comes home at noon since we’re still just practicing and not doing the afternoon nap there yet) and I absolutely could go to the gym in the middle of the day too (provided the aforementioned toddler is in kindy or I have a sitter. I’m a single dad).
This isn’t really something everyone can do and I’m not sure how much longer it’ll last for me so I’m going to start working more again when we’re doing full ~8 hour days in kindergarten, but for now I’m kinda enjoying most of what the trust fund kiddie gets, without being a trust fund baby myself.
No surf though. Hour away from the beach. And I don’t know how to surf.
None of the things they mentioned actually require much resources at all. Even if this person worked a part-time job, there’s no reason this life should be unobtainable. The reality we’ve been given unfortunately doesn’t allow for this though.
The biggest crutch for many is attachments. People just can’t leave NYC or whatever hyperinflated city they live in because they fear change or have responsibilities.
The biggest chunk is affording rent or a home close enough to a beach area. If you can work some artisanal wood carving job or something where you can set your own hours, but make good enough money to cover your basics, then you’re set.
“If you have very specific skills that take years to learn, it could be obtainable”
Not to mention the demand to make those skills, profitable enough to meet your needs. There’s only so much demand for skilled woodcarvers in any particular area.
How about wood scientists?
Under many variables out of your control.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. There aren’t that many jobs that you control the hours for and yet pay well enough to live within walking or biking distance to the beach (at least in America, I’m sure you could live in lower cost of living countries as a “digital nomad” and ruin the local economy).
But… if you can swing that type of thing, you don’t need to be like rich, just well off enough to afford it.
The biggest chunk is affording rent or a home close enough to a beach area.
Live in an old van, and that gets a lot cheaper.
You could do all of this with very little money … if you’re willing to live semi-homeless near the beach. Maybe live in a van. Most expensive thing here is the wine, and wine doesn’t cost that much.
I actually did this for a while. I bought a sailboat with a friend, moved onto said sailboat, and bummed around for a bit. It’s cheap in bursts, but then you need things. What happens when you have a sudden need for money, like an engine breakdown or a medical emergency? What happens when you suddenly need to travel, like for a funeral or a friend’s wedding?
What happens when one day you need to afford anything beyond the daily living expenditures and you need to get a job and now employees side eye you for having a year or two gap on your resume? This is possible, obviously, but it’s definitely a lot more than it sounds like on the surface.
now employees side eye you for having a year or two gap on your resume?
What gap? You weren’t unemployed, you were a ship’s captain and chief of engineering.
There are a lot of annoying things needed that aren’t accounted for…like heating and running water and waste drainage. But if you’re willing to get creative then anything is possible.
Plenty of places in the world where heat is not necessary. People lived with hand wells for centuries. If you want to trade 8 hours of your day for heat and running water… Go for it… Do society’s dream, get the new car, bigger TV, thousand dollar cellphone on payments
People lived with hand wells for centuries.
people died of cholera for centuries.
Yup. All you have to do is get lucky and stay healthy
I know people who have done the ski bum/beach bum thing at various phases of their life (probably most fun between the ages of 20-30): get seasonal jobs in tourist areas where the job gets you subsidized employee housing and free passes to something like a ski mountain, use the local favor economy to give and get free or heavily discounted stuff, and just have fun.
Subsidized housing is the critical part and is becoming rarer by the year.
Eating well is definitely the most expensive thing.
Yeah I think the problem is that to have any money you’d still need a job. The core fantasy with all these things seems to always come down to having no job or very little hours at a job. But I agree this could probably be fine for $20,000/yr in most places. Still would need like 400k+ to retire that way depending on age, but that’s a realistic amount for a good amount of people at least… The hardest part is having the good friends around tbh. You pretty much have to get lucky with finding cool people near your same beach.
You live in a van on the beach, just bulk buy grape juice and leave it outside for a few years.
A few years is too long. I doubt store bought grape juice will benefit greatly from either cask aging or bottle conditioning. Wine is easy to make just hard to make not taste terrible. Keeping all your equipment clean is a lot of flavor battle though which is difficult in this beach-pruno scenario I’m imagining.
If this is rage bait by the OOP then god damn did I ever take the bait
