With just over 24 hours before the government is set to shutdown, Donald Trump and congressional leaders from both parties emerged from a high-stakes White House meeting on Monday with no agreement, setting the stage for large swaths of the federal government to close after midnight Wednesday.
The impasse came after closed-door talks between the four top congressional leaders and Trump in the Oval Office, where lawmakers appeared to trade blame but make little progress towards a deal. “There are still large differences between us,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the meeting, claiming that Republicans refused to engage on their core demands around health care and restoring previous funding cuts.
“Their bill has not one iota of Democratic input,” he added, taking aim at a House-passed seven-week stopgap funding bill that Senate Democrats rejected last week. “That is never how we’ve done this before.”
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Let the federal government stay that way. Blue states should start picking up services where the federal government left off. And the feds don’t need their tax money, either.
Time can go fuck itself for this bullshit headline. “Democrats leave White House with no deal”?
How about “Republicans refuse Democrat deal, setting stage for Republican Government shutdown”
Or maybe something like “Republicans Refuse To Give Americans Benefits and Medical they Pay For, Govenment Shutdown Imminent”
We’re so fucked.
What did anyone expect anything different?
Republicans don’t want a deal. Then they can make up whatever they want about democrats and claim they’re the problem and maneuver for more power grabs.
They can (and do) do that anyway. I don’t think that’s the plan here. To the halfway reasonable people, Republicans control congress. This is on them. The minority party’s job us to play hardball. To the people listening to whatever Republicans say without question, it doesn’t matter. They can make up anything they want a blame democrats. This doesn’t do anything for them.
Genuine question, can’t they just…not shut down?
No. Someone may correct me if I’m wrong but they have an agreed debt ceiling and without an agreement raising it they’re essentially out of money to fund federal stuff. I mean not really, but they are.
It’s not like they honor the budget after they pass it anyways. Trump just comes in and says he’s not paying it and the Republicans let him. Why bother with any deal like that
Republicans want to believe they’re the party of Fiscal Responsibility. They need at least some evidence to that affect, or else they lose their own perception of themselves. The debt ceiling is one of those.
Trump wants this shutdown. He was never gonna deal.
No he doesn’t. He needs to pay ICE agents. He needs the government to stay open.
Shutting the government down and keeping it shut down inhibits his ability to progress with fascism.
Shut the government down and what happens to the soldiers deployed to US streets?
No. Shut it the fuck down. Its idiotic to allow it to stay open.
I know some things continue to operate no matter what. I don’t remember if ICE do. I’m sure border patrol continues to operate to some extent, but I have no idea to what degree. The same for the military. They still continue to some degree, but they have to scale down what jobs get done.
This is a long way to say, yes. I agree with you. However, it won’t stop totally.
Don’t worry, the generals are there to step in and take over any dept Trump deems necessary.
It’s a budget, he needs 50 votes and there’s 53 senators with a R by their names…
If there’s a shutdown it’s cuz trump ordered it.
Schumer “negotiating” just makes it easier for idiots to blame it on Dems.
Mainstream media at large is acting like budget reconciliation isn’t a thing…
The procedure overrides the Senate’s filibuster rules, which may otherwise require a sixty-vote supermajority for passage. Bills described as reconciliation bills can pass the Senate by a simple majority of fifty-one votes or fifty votes plus the vice president’s as the tie-breaker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
trump doesn’t need a single D vote in the House or Senate to pass a budget, he just doesn’t want to
This is a funding bill, which is different than the budget/reconciliation process. He needs 60 votes.
You think “budget reconciliation” which was literally invented to make sure a budget is passed…
Doesn’t apply to the annual budget, which has been passed by budget reconciliation for like a decade straight?
Majority in House but 60 votes in Senate are needed to avoid a filibuster, which will require some Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
But I mean, I literally quoted it last time and you still somehow missed it, so i guess it’s on me if I get the same result…
This is them passing the funding , it wouldn’t be a reconciliation bill.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/13/politics/budget-resolution-reconciliation-spending-bills-explainer
Did you and 14 other people just not read that?
Senate Republicans are pushing a narrow budget resolution focused on increasing spending for immigration enforcement, national security and domestic energy production. They want to punt on dealing with Trump’s tax cuts — which expire at year’s end — until later in 2025 under a second reconciliation bill.
It’s literally about how budget reconciliation can only be used for budget related bills…
And the fucking annual budget is pretty obviously budget related
From the link I provided
An identical budget resolution must be adopted by both the House and Senate before Congress can take the critical next step: Advancing legislation to reconcile tax-and-spending laws
My understanding is that the budget resolution needs to pass before there can be a reconciliation bill.
Either way, if it really just required 50 votes, they would have done it already.
My understanding is that the budget resolution needs to pass before there can be a reconciliation bill.
That’s about as wrong as you can be…
Budget reconciliation was invented specifically for the budget… The Byrd rule is what is (hypothetically) used to prevent it being used for non budgetary bills.
Like, it’s impressive you’re able to be so completely and utterly wrong about this, unfortunately a lot of people also don’t understand. Most likely because you’re all still just listening to CNN and other billionaire owned media conglomerates instead of just looking it up.
Newsflash:
Billionaires care more about money than people. They’re fine with a government shutdown and trump as long as profits go up.
They will lie to you
Wasn’t that what they passed in July?
All the more reason to use it once the new fiscal year starts…
If Schumer caves, they can abuse the rule and pass something 1000x times shittier under reconciliation.
They were able to pass that a few months ago, because they didn’t use reconciliation for last year’s budget, it was just a CR all year
Which is likely what will happen again, and why Schumer would be a giant fucking idiot to negotiate just so Republicans don’t have to use it.
Like, good point, but it just brings us full circle.
Quick edit:
Because Senate can use reconciliation once a fiscal year
Is that simply a senate rule that can be bypassed with a simple majority?
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They have the majority. Should have told them to make a deal with themselves if they actually give a shit.
But controlled opposition, doing controlled opposition things, to maintain the illusion of democracy.
Americans will never miss their water until the well runs dry.
It’s not that Americans are all racist, or all ignorant… it’s that enough of them don’t spare a thought to think things through until it effects them personally.
Welcome to life in America. Where intelligence and common sense aren’t so common. People will literally kill you so they can happily vote against their own interests.
Truth.
Living in Canada is like having crazy downstairs neighbours but for some reason one of our roommates keeps inviting them upstairs.
I have not been to the USA in a decade. Literally the only reason I’ll ever, ever, return is to visit Casa Bonita in Colorado… ideally on a layover.
We made it in last October. Very well worth the visit, if you can get a reservation
Glad to hear!
Any stories??
We sprung for the “premium seating.” It was only maybe $10 more per person, but you get seated along the diving cliff so you can see the show better. And because we were one of the last tables of the night, we got lucky and ended up with the best table in the place, right next to/above the cliff divers. I’m not really sure how best to describe it, so it’s a good thing I have video evidence 😅
fuckin eh. ty!
but that link might doxx u eh. (can see your full name)
oh wait just saw your username.
sadly youtube.
Well shit. I checked to see if it showed my name and it didn’t seem to on my side 😮💨
Omg, I tried to get in there with almost a month planning ahead. NOPE.
You may need to find a local with whatever lifetime gold membership they sold. Bribe them to take you or something.
I had no idea it was so difficult to get in there. I signed up for the email where they will open a few times here and there, but as soon as the mail is sent, the reservations are gobbled up by the bots.
I wish you all the luck.
It’s gonna be 3 years at least. I doubt I’d be getting the full experience visiting during the tariffs anyways.
thx for the heads up!
This is true of people in general. While comfortable enough, or able to rationalize the discomfort away, people tend to not want to change. It takes a large shove to get people to act. Having a huge and diverse country with lots of built-in disconnects doesn’t help.
Having a huge and diverse country with lots of built-in disconnects doesn’t help.
Are you saying that diversity in a disconnected society can create more opportunities for conflict?
It can, especially when there are systems in place to play upon those differences and fan flames, even create fires that wouldn’t naturally erupt. Diversity is powerful, but can be used for good or bad purposes.
Totally. But yea the context of a disconnected society is important.
It affects me personally that you used the wrong form of “effect/affect”.
I hope your comment effects a correction.
Why are Democrats trying to make deals with fascists is the real headline.
Yeah… that’s how things work. What, should they just bring in guns and kill them all? No, their job is to get the best outcome they can get (in their opinion). You can let the Fascists do whatever they want or you can try to make it as painless as possible while they progress. I prefer the latter.
It’s the citizenry’s job to fight them. Legislators do what they can in congress to slow them down and we fight them where we can. Giving up all power in congress is stupid. It should be used as best as possible, which is not just giving up.
TBF it is their job attend legislative sessions. I agree with the spirit of your comment.
To answer your question… clearly the weren’t trying that hard.
I disagree. I would argue that their job is to represent their constituents. Sometimes that might involve attending legislative sessions. Other times that might involve intentionally not engaging with the opposition party, if that is in the best interests of the constituents.
In this case, not engaging would mean intentionally choosing to shut down a government that has services that directly impact those constituents. Meeting with them is the bare minimum of their job.
I can’t imagine Trump had any good faith negotiations so it’s a fool’s effort, but it’s their job to try, nonetheless.
intentionally choosing to shut down a government that has services that directly impact those constituents.
They should be shutting down the government. Not doing so is a derelection of their duty to their constituents and the constitution. Shutting down the government prevents DJT from doing more damage. Its a way the can actually stop/ stem the bleeding while being in the minority, and it would also show them having some spine.
Going into any kind of negotiations with Trump is idiotic. Its not their job to keep giving Trump everything he needs to destroy the country.
Well now you just sound impossible to please and completely ignorant of your own civic system.
Sorry.
I’m neither. I want the opposition party to be an opposition party when its important to do so, like it is now.
That means not trying to find common ground with fascists.
That’s what they’re doing. I’ll be the first to gripe the DNC as a whole but the way you’re mischaracterizing things is not helpful.
As per the article:
Democrats have continued to assert that their votes—which are needed to clear the Senate’s 60-vote threshold—are contingent on the bill including key health care provisions, particularly a permanent extension of enhanced Affordable Care Act (ACA) tax credits that have helped millions of middle-class families afford coverage. Without action, those subsidies will expire at year’s end, raising premiums just as Americans begin signing up for 2026 plans in November.
Democrats also want to reverse $1 trillion in cuts to Medicaid that Republicans enacted unilaterally this summer, eliminate new work requirements for that program, block the White House from clawing back funds previously approved by Congress, and restore funding for medical research. But they have focused their demands on the ACA subsidies.
Its not a mischaracterization to say I don’t agree with what the Democrats are doing. They shouldn’t be negotiating to keep the government open. Period. They can stop things from happening by shutting the thing down and preventing the real day to day damage. Don’t open it back till after the midterms, and sure as shit don’t do anything that Republicans will spin to help themselves.
I’ve been through two shut downs/ near shutdowns as a freddie. Its fine. Shut it down.
yeah we all know trumps diplomatic skills he put on display at the un. Our country can survive if republicans grow a pair and impeach this guy.
Get ready for the coup.
What do they need a coup for? They control the whole damn thing.
They don’t though, clearly. Republicans control congress, but Republicans clearly aren’t a hive mind. A coup would put all power under the executive. It gives one person the power to make decisions where the party as a whole may disagree occasionally.
Also, mid terms are coming up. They very well may lose control of congress.
Who could have ever predicted this?
The worst part is Trumps Cronies 100% expected this to be more difficult.
Putin wants chaos so Trump and his gang deliver chaos.
Quelle surprise
the government is set to shutdown
- Set to shut down (verb)
- Set for shutdown (noun)
You need to pick a lane. Please tell me time.com editors have at least the brains god gave a gnat.
