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nooo it doesn’t work that way. children would turn gay because it would make clear that the artificial constraints placed on society are actually bullshit. once that wall has been scattered, it’s not coming back because nobody would voluntarily erect such nonsensical walls again.
They think gay stuff is like crack, once you get exposed to it you’ll be addicted and there’s no going back.
There’s some truth to that, but only for a certain percent of the population. The rest are immune. We have a word for people in that “vulnerable” category, and the word is gay. So unless you’re gay there’s no need to worry about it. Worrying about gay stuff turning you gay is gay af
I think that at some level they understand how easily their own views are shaped by the people around them and by the media they consume. So they assume everyone is like that and that if you’re gay or trans it means you’ve been manipulated into it by external forces. It’s weird to me to imagine being so malleable to social pressure that you would undergo trans surgery because of it, but conservatives really think that’s what’s going on and it’s because they are that malleable to social pressure.
I actually said this to someone who believes this and he said that doesn’t work like that, because of course it doesn’t.
Their narrative ultimately comes from the repressed conservative gay community. Conservative gay people, when they notice they have same sex attraction, do not conclude they’re gay. They conclude that everyone must have these “temptations,” and that gay people are just the folks that give into these temptations that everyone apparently gets. You explain away your same-sex attractions or desire to change your sex as a temptation of the Devil.
This is why seeing gay people in public doesn’t have the same effect as seeing straight people, in their minds. Think about it like waves of copycat suicides. When one person jumps off a bridge, it inspires others to do the same. That’s how conservatives view gay people being out. A gay person isn’t someone that has a characteristic some of the population are just born with. Gay people represent those who have given in to the temptation anyone can have, and seeing gay people normalizes it and encourages others to give in.
It has the same logical coherence as “the only moral abortion is my abortion,” but this is how conservatives view being gay. It comes from the lens of the repressed gay community.
Instructions unclear: They became bi.
Also what does watching two men kiss turn your daughter into??
trans + gay.
I wish this was their logic.
What they fear is that they are wrong about sexual orientation being a choice. So if their child was never exposed to anything gay, they then can act straight and be quietly depressed about why other people aren’t like them.
I’ve questioned my brother in law on this as he acts this way. Instead of any epiphany on his part, I made a reference to watching black people on tv not making a white person black which led him to come up with the dumbest and racist take of all black people having some frontal lobe defect? I have zero clue where he came up with this but I suspect whatever braindead source for his anti gay rhetoric is also pushing the anti non white rhetoric. He also argued from the point of someone who was regurgitating information he half understood instead of a point he’d actually thought about
That shit comes from phrenology.
I hate phrenology, for the obvious reasons, but also because it makes people scared to death to discuss any kind of bone structure differences between regional groups.
I remember when Elizabeth Warren was getting flack for lying about being part Native American. The “high cheekbones” comment got a lot of derision, despite being a fairly tame comment outside of the lying.
Not saying it’s useful in a biological sense, just in colloquial speak.
The problem with phrenology is linking bone structure with behavior. But it’s stupid not discussing bone structure for a pseudoscience.
Nah, this is just basic biological racism. It wouldn’t be phrenology until they were making arguments that the shape or the lumps on his head made him stupid/insane/an insatiable raping machine/some other dumb bullshit.
Somehow, biological racism isn’t nearly as stupid as phrenology.
No, it is just as stupid, racist, and grounded in as much verifiable science but this is a rectangle/square conversation. Phrenology is a subsect of biological racism.
but this is a rectangle/square conversation. Phrenology is a subsect of biological racism.
True, but the situation described was that PoCs have an internal defect making them “lesser”, not that the shape of a person’s head can determine their abilities or characteristics.
I have no issue with limping them together generally, but the specific situation is not phrenology.
That analogy was never going to work on anyone though…
It works out the same. You can choose to be gay as much as you can choose to be black. You choose to be gay as much as you choose to be straight.
It isn’t the media you consume that makes you into what you inherently are.
The people this is targeted at don’t believe that though, so what’s the point?
The point is that the conversation needs to happen to point out when they are being idiots who gobble down this rhetoric of anti gay, anti poc, anti woman bullshit.
And I’m not doing it for him as much as his daughter and my daughter. They need to know that hating people isn’t the only option. Being gay is ok. Not being gay is ok. Being different is ok and it’s up to us to make sure people are not treated as if they are lesser because they are different. People in a position of privilege need to use that to help, not hinder those who have issues in our society.
By virtue of genetics, I’m a white guy who can’t tan. People automatically listen to me more than some other members of my family. They took more after my maternal grandmother’s side and get greeted with Spanish before English in our area. I have an obligation to speak up when people act a fool especially now that it’s become government policy to hate and ignore sound science.
If you have an obligation to speak up, your obligation surely is to speak effectively. So if you’re trying to convince children who are hearing from others that being gay is a choice and an immoral one at that, this analogy is unlikely to do anything.
This is my point: it’s an analogy that only works if you already agree with its conclusion. If you’re trying to convince kids at risk of being turned into bigots, you’re better off just exposing them to positive representation and positive talk. Getting there via an argument that only works if they don’t believe the bigotry is ineffective - or at least, it’s no more effective than just saying “being gay is OK,” while being less direct. And a smart kid who is hearing “being gay is an immoral choice” will realise that this analogy doesn’t contradict what they heard from their dad or their friend and may become harder to convince due to having heard a shit argument.
Although his argument doesn’t go in that direction, you’re mixing apples and oranges and splitting hairs.
In other words, he is NOT saying that being racist is bad and therefore being homophobic is also bad, he is not going on the moral ground.
What he is saying is that you cannot choose your skin color because it is a deterministic genetic fact that precedes any capacity for volition: your genes determine whether you will be black or white, not any decision after your birth. And he is extrapolating this to homosexuality, something that is in fact anchored in very solid evidence. There’s a reason he talks about choice: you can’t choose to be black because that’s only “decided” or determined by your genes, and the same goes for homosexuality (although I should say that there are also nuances; homosexuality also has an environmental component).
Based.
I hate all this “for my mental peace I won’t try to change someone’s mind as they won’t change anyways”, as yeah, it’s true and all that that they won’t change themselves, but you will be able to at least change other people or prevent other people from falling into those bullshit.
You mean that they deny genetic determinism? Well, that’s totally not true.
They deny that sexuality is genetically determined, yes.
Also I think that is true, in that there is a statistically higher chance of younger brothers being gay than older brothers, which is unlikely to be due to genetics (and more likely due to womb environment). Anyway, the basic idea that sexuality is not a choice is important to teach people, and a better place to start than what’s in the post.
Well, you have a fair point, I think.
I have zero clue where he came up with this but I suspect whatever braindead source for his anti gay rhetoric is also pushing the anti non white rhetoric
Almost certainly. I followed right wing media for quite a few years (a good amount of them were by proxy, thankfully) and the anti gay/PoC/women narratives were all mixed together more often than not.
Not even that far. It’s about “purity”. Heterosexuality, manliness, virginity, whatever they associated with purity is extremely fragile and mere mention of any “impurity” may sully it, because the more pure you are the more bragging rights you have.
In islamist circles for example, some are obsessed with drinking from cups no alcohol has touched.
lol, know what they call “purity” in genetics? In-bred 😂
See also: the “one drop” rule
Usually because the worst anti gay of them are indeed tempted because they’re closet gay and think the rest of humanity feels the same way.
Yes. There was a study done with people that said they were straight and exposed them to gay porn. The ones that said they were homophobes had the most reaction from their penis.
That is another part of the issue. They believe if they have the urges and the chose to closeted then it is a choice. They see it as a strength of will but it is really self hatred.
I really can’t understand why they are so hung up about this. Just suck some cock, it’s fun!
They fear the social rejection they’re dolling out on everyone else.
Just like thier daddy and grad daddy. Like a MAN!
You got it wrong. You have to show the kid two women kissing so it balances out to zero (as you have 2 men and 2 women). If you show them a man and a woman, they’re still 2 men up so they’re gonna stay gay.
It’s basic maths, you should know that!
my brother is gay. i once when he was like 3 dropped him. i was like 13. i think if i dropped him an even number of times he’d have bounced back to straight. like a cartoon or these dumbasses in dc think?
Do kids bounce when dropped?
i dont remember lol.
Babies might but kids…idk I never had them.
secure two children back to back on a rotor, alternating showing each a gay kiss picture then a straight kiss picture
the resulting forces of attraction have created a perpetual motion machine, at the low low cost of two children and your ethical-moral compass
wow! my coal mines use WAY more children than that, so this is a huge efficiency boost for me! /j
Just got word, the coal industry does not want a new, more efficient fuel source to appear, so they’re ending gay porn.
They only have to end one side of the coin tho, so there will be a vote between yaoi and yuri.
the moral compass has been deflected by the electromagnetic field in the wires. it will return to pointing north with sufficient distance from the device
You just have to watch brokeback mountain in reverse
Finally, a cure for being straight
Why assume straight porn is as potent as gay porn?
Rhetorical but homophobes don’t think that way. If you think being gay is some kind of aberration the way people think paedophilia is, you might think about gay porn, or positive gay characters in books, as showing that being gay is ok, leading to more people doing it.
Two men kissing is not porn
You would not believe how many conservatives disagree with you.
True but it’s what I thought about so you may draw your own conclusions
You’re right. Nobody mentioned anything constituting “porn” though - I think just “content” or “representation” is a better word choice.
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Was this supposed to be a coherent thought?
Year old account that suddenly woke up days ago just to troll… and is not even good at it!
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