Didn’t say they were a raving bunch of antisemitic genocidal maniacs. They weren’t by a good enough measure. You shouldn’t discount the lesser told story for it is uncomfortable though. The defense of Finland against Soviets can still be a victory, but wear the stains with awareness and context and be ashamed of what shame the is if any.
I’m getting mixed signals here. First you say Finns were not any better than the Nazis, then you say that they “weren’t a raving bunch of antisemitic genocidal maniacs” (as opposed to the Nazis, presumably).
The finns weren’t without sin. I meant it wouldn’t change that they may be guilty of war crimes. Note that there also were Wehrmacht soldiers without particularly large individual guilt.
I said these might have been some. E.g. doctors treating syphilis etc. that doesn’t mean most of all were innocent. But not everyone bears the same guilt.
People do that all the time lmao. The Nazi concentration camps were even inspired by the US prison system, and then after the war we took in a bunch of Nazi scientists.
The point though is that at one point Finland was allied with the Nazis against the Soviet Union, that’s the difference. That’s not to entirely absolve the Soviet Union invading Finland, but either way Finland was an ally of the Nazis for at least a point.
The point of the original comment in the thread though is that Finland also can’t be entirely absolved of allying with the Nazis just because they were at war with the Soviet Union.
Domestic crimes against humanity aside, both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were waging offensive war in Europe before all this. In fact, they had made a secret deal about USSR getting finland before the alliance of finland and germany.
To be clear I’m not defending the Soviet Union invading Finland, I’m an anarchist so I only really like the Soviet Union a tiny bit more than I do the US during the same period (which isn’t saying much because of how much I hate the US). I’m just also agreeing that Finland did ally with the Nazis, which is a stain on their history.
The situation in American KZ was heinous and a key factor in why many Japanese Americans fought in the war: to get out of there. This was highlit in the museum in the aircraft carrier Hornet, I can recommend a visit if you ever are in SF.
The scientifically accurate language really gives you faith in america being on a good path. You could really tell that there are compassionate and honest and good people who want to live in a good world.
Didn’t say they were a raving bunch of antisemitic genocidal maniacs. They weren’t by a good enough measure. You shouldn’t discount the lesser told story for it is uncomfortable though. The defense of Finland against Soviets can still be a victory, but wear the stains with awareness and context and be ashamed of what shame the is if any.
I’m getting mixed signals here. First you say Finns were not any better than the Nazis, then you say that they “weren’t a raving bunch of antisemitic genocidal maniacs” (as opposed to the Nazis, presumably).
The finns weren’t without sin. I meant it wouldn’t change that they may be guilty of war crimes. Note that there also were Wehrmacht soldiers without particularly large individual guilt.
Cutting awfully close to the clean Wehrmacht myth there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
I said these might have been some. E.g. doctors treating syphilis etc. that doesn’t mean most of all were innocent. But not everyone bears the same guilt.
I think they were saying you aren’t being hard enough of the finnish, not the other way around
I mean the US also put people in concentration camps but nobody’s making an equivalence between the US and Nazi Germany…
People do that all the time lmao. The Nazi concentration camps were even inspired by the US prison system, and then after the war we took in a bunch of Nazi scientists.
Yeah but people are not saying fighting for the US in WWII was the same as fighting for Nazi Germany because both had concentration camps.
The point though is that at one point Finland was allied with the Nazis against the Soviet Union, that’s the difference. That’s not to entirely absolve the Soviet Union invading Finland, but either way Finland was an ally of the Nazis for at least a point.
Also, see Geopolitical status in Northern Europe in November 1939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#/media/File:Northern_europe_november_1939.png
Yeah, and any implication that it would is crazy.
The point of the original comment in the thread though is that Finland also can’t be entirely absolved of allying with the Nazis just because they were at war with the Soviet Union.
Domestic crimes against humanity aside, both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were waging offensive war in Europe before all this. In fact, they had made a secret deal about USSR getting finland before the alliance of finland and germany.
To be clear I’m not defending the Soviet Union invading Finland, I’m an anarchist so I only really like the Soviet Union a tiny bit more than I do the US during the same period (which isn’t saying much because of how much I hate the US). I’m just also agreeing that Finland did ally with the Nazis, which is a stain on their history.
The situation in American KZ was heinous and a key factor in why many Japanese Americans fought in the war: to get out of there. This was highlit in the museum in the aircraft carrier Hornet, I can recommend a visit if you ever are in SF.
The scientifically accurate language really gives you faith in america being on a good path. You could really tell that there are compassionate and honest and good people who want to live in a good world.
Kazakhstan mentioned 🔥💪🇰🇿