I assume Trans Women got socialized as men in their formative years of childhood, so no matter how much they might have not fit in they certainly got an underlying message of being capable, they didn’t get corrected for being “bossy” or loud or demanding and probably got discouraged from being “submissive” in any way.
Even people who don’t believe in gendernorms will enforce them subconciously on kids and male socialization is just so much more likely to produce people who ask and fight for leadership roles.
I am not questioning their womanhood in any way, just to be clear.
The downvotes are wild. Children are socialized differently based on the gender they were assigned at birth - that’s a fact.
Growing up being called “bossy” does hell on one’s ability to speak out for one’s self. That shit turned me into a doormat in my teens, and enabled people to take advantage of me both in my personal life and professional life well through my 20s. Society worked hard to try to make me small and quiet, to put up with crap instead of speaking out when things were wrong. It’s a mess that I’m still in the process of untangling, and I have little doubt many AFAB have gone through the same thing.
Though with all that said, I’d like to hear directly from transmen about their experiences in this regard.
“Male socialization” is very controversial and it’s used to justify some bad stuff (and everything you said applies much more to me than to my cis sister, but that’s anecdotal). I won’t deny that trans men (two words) have a different upbringing than cis men but please focus on that rather than trans women.
Absolutely. It is very delicate because any transperson is marginalized, yet you can still see patriarcal tendencies with transpeople. Transwomen tend to be relatively more visible and vocal than transmen who seem to get doubly invisiblized.
I feel like there is a risk of being labelled as transphobic to discuss this, which is pretty unfortunate because it is felt by some transmen (see communities of transmen excluding transwomen for them not to dominate discourse).
I assume Trans Women got socialized as men in their formative years of childhood, so no matter how much they might have not fit in they certainly got an underlying message of being capable, they didn’t get corrected for being “bossy” or loud or demanding and probably got discouraged from being “submissive” in any way.
Even people who don’t believe in gendernorms will enforce them subconciously on kids and male socialization is just so much more likely to produce people who ask and fight for leadership roles.
I am not questioning their womanhood in any way, just to be clear.
The downvotes are wild. Children are socialized differently based on the gender they were assigned at birth - that’s a fact.
Growing up being called “bossy” does hell on one’s ability to speak out for one’s self. That shit turned me into a doormat in my teens, and enabled people to take advantage of me both in my personal life and professional life well through my 20s. Society worked hard to try to make me small and quiet, to put up with crap instead of speaking out when things were wrong. It’s a mess that I’m still in the process of untangling, and I have little doubt many AFAB have gone through the same thing.
Though with all that said, I’d like to hear directly from transmen about their experiences in this regard.
“Male socialization” is very controversial and it’s used to justify some bad stuff (and everything you said applies much more to me than to my cis sister, but that’s anecdotal). I won’t deny that trans men (two words) have a different upbringing than cis men but please focus on that rather than trans women.
Absolutely. It is very delicate because any transperson is marginalized, yet you can still see patriarcal tendencies with transpeople. Transwomen tend to be relatively more visible and vocal than transmen who seem to get doubly invisiblized.
I feel like there is a risk of being labelled as transphobic to discuss this, which is pretty unfortunate because it is felt by some transmen (see communities of transmen excluding transwomen for them not to dominate discourse).