Democrats were “fighting” only to help Trump cut benefits and fire federal workers in the first place. They are on the same team. Anyone naive enough to believe Democrats were trying to help him needs to wake the fuck up.
WTF. Senate Dems got rewarded in the elections for showing some spine and holding out for healthcare, then as soon as the elections were over, in spite of voters putting them in an even stronger position with the wide margins of victory, what did they do? they fucking caved like the weak little bitches they are.
All the suffering people have been going through during the shutdown has been for absolutely nothing. They didn’t even get a damn one-year extension on subsidies (which BTW are windfalls for insurance companies but until we reform healthcare it’s the best we have for now). It was suppoosed to be not just about the ACA subsidies, but also the Medicaid cuts.
Jeffries wants the House to reject the bill and most House Dems seem to be ready to do that. Keep screaming and contact your rep (politely). There are some repubs also against it, so this shit deal can still be prevented by the House, if the Dems stick together and a few repubs also vote No.
I think the Senate literally exists to keep democracy in check and prevent the people from voting away the rights of the wealthy.
So the Senate Democrats jump the moment that money is on the line. When it was apparent they would get more fundraising and support with the shutdown and then as soon as they stood to make more from ending the shutdown. Follow the money.
It was never about principle.
Flights were getting cancelled, so the shutdown started to affect rich people.
It doesn’t matter if Americans can’t afford food.
fighting trump gives them votes, bowing to kiss his ass gives them corporate donations.
Controlled opposition! I don’t think all Democratic politicians are in on it, but enough where it doesn’t matter. I’ve watched just the right number fold time after time on key issues for decades.
None are up for reelection in 2026. I’m certain that’s no coincidence.
One of the yes voters said Shumer knew and was directly involved.
Democrats are Republicans with a blue color.
They always choose who takes the heat for unpopular votes based on safety. The only two of the 8 Senators that voted for this whose seat is up in in 2026 are two that are retiring after this term (Durbin and Shaheen). So IL and NH people can vote in 2026 primaries for the most progressive candidate.
The rest don’t come up until '28 or '30 and they expect you to forget by then. But how about if instead, people in their state use that time to find and recruit good progressive candidates to primary them with? Don’t forget their names! Primary them! Your vote counts way more in the primaries because so few turn out for them, so if you skip them, you’re letting other people choose your candidates for you and just keep getting more of the same.
Good luck, Dems will spend millions to defeat progressives in the primaries. Their primary mission is to keep anyone left of center out of government.
Don’t let it stop you, but just don’t be surprised when these bastards keep up with the same shit as always.
They couldn’t stop Mamdani even with huge influx of $$ from the oligarchs. Obviously every state is different and you can’t get people to vote for a Mamdani or AOC in many of them, but you can get someone more progressive than before. They only have so much money and have to triage where to spend it.
Here are the POS all lined up in a row.
- Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia
- Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois
- Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
- Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
- Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
- Senator Angus King of Maine
- Senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
- Senator Jacky Rosen of Nevada
I’m so happy to have moved to PA and will eventually get to vote against this pos.
He’s no better than a republican, so I’ll feel no guilt voting 3rd party if his ass isn’t primaried out
Dick Durbin is the minority whip. There is no chance that the whip votes against the wishes of the senate minority leader. Despite Schumer’s no vote, he supported the capitulation.
Again, unsubstantiated opinion.
Shaheen just came out and said that Schumer knew about the deal. In other words he approved it.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but could you quote the proof you’re referring to from the article? The two paragraphs I think you’re referring to are (emphasis mine):
Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.
The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down. Only after that did Schumer go public with his proposal to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA subsidies, along with a bipartisan commission to figure out a long-term solution.
Being “widely assumed” isn’t really solid proof, and having a proposal with an exchange of an extension isn’t capitulation on Schumer’s part. If anything, this whole thing shows Schumer’s incompetence to be able to lead the democrats, but this doesn’t seem supported or orchestrated on his part.
“Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said ‘I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no.’ Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold?” Kilmeade asked.
“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded.
From TNR: Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along
yes, these are the facts the other article is missing.
Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.
Reread the passage again, the part that was widely asusmed was that the flip votes were operating on thete own. The sentence about Schumers approval was started with the phrase ‘In fact’ because that is what’s being reported as the truth. ‘Widely assumed’ is not even the same sentence with the allegations on Chuck so Im having trouble interpreting your comment in good faith.
I really don’t care to defend Schumer, but posting this article as substantiated proof of him supporting Democrats capitulation is not really convincing. The article doesn’t mention what changed between it being widely assumed and it being a fact? Just starting a sentence with “in fact” doesn’t make it true. There are many other, more recent sources with his quotes saying he doesn’t approve of their actions.
It’s equally possible that Schumer has no control of the situation and the Senators who are voting for reopening the government know Schumer is spineless, and will only craft a strongly worded letter condemning their actions. The fact he went public with a proposal after reports of senators defecting isn’t proof he is complicit in their capitulation, just that he was unable to convince all the Democratic Senators that his plan was a good plan they should remain consistent about. Is Schumer responsible as the minority leader of the senate and ultimately to take the blame for the Democrats fracturing over this; yes. But to say he is secretly supporting the capitulation as if he’s Palpatine playing both sides is not really substantiated and frankly giving him too much credit.
I really don’t care to defend Schumer,
Then stop doing it. You’re making yourself look foolish to put it as charitably as possible.
Is this Schumer’s fediverse alt?
I can only assume you don’t know what the whips job is.
I’m on Tim Kaine’s mailing list.
Since last November, his entire office/campaign has been heavy on optics throughout the state, all with a heavy lean towards business as usual. Only recently (late October) did he write about “challenging trump’s reckless tariff policies”, which was little more than a statement of fact than any actual coherent plan to solve anything. Most shockingly, this communique had ZERO mention about DOGE, and the thousands out of work right now in his state, let alone the government shutdown and the hungry poor people out there right now. Or any of the other politically relevant horrors we have going right now. It was easily one of the best written, carefully crafted, barely educational, worthless, tone-deaf, rage-inducing pieces of literature to hit my inbox, and includes a bottomless cornucopia of spam mail.
There’s an old saying in politics: “never waste a good crisis.” Well, this is a big one, and opportunities to be a hero with accolades and job security for life can be had at minimal effort. I can only conclude that the man’s brain is located somewhere in the vicinity of his spine, both of which went missing back in 2024.
While I’m no longer a Virginian, I emplore those of you who are to vote this trash out.
I left a voicemail demanding his resignation. Wtf else can we do? He’s not up for reelection until 2030. These fuckers, as usual, can betray us with no repercussions. And they know it.
Same, but email instead. I said that he must be fucking braindead to have done this, and I explained how every supposed “win” of this deal was worth nothing and that he should’ve been suing on our behalf instead. I also told him that all he bought was up to 7 weeks of relief and the ability for people to fly home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, just in time to spread a flu/covid epidemic at the exact time he torched people’s access to healthcare.
Between the DNC leadership overhaul, how united Dems in Congress were over this, and then the huge election wins last week, there are just no words for how goddamn disappointed I am in these greasy, traitorous cowards.
Thats just an oppurtunity to build up a base of support and rally atound someone who can beat him in a primary. 4 years is a long time yo build a coalition. Take advantage of it
Of those eight seats, only two are up in 2026, and those two Senators (Durbin, Shaheen) are not running for reelection. The others aren’t up until 2028 or 2030. That’s how they do these things. No one up in 2026 would have voted for it.
In all fairness, you know they had the full support of the Democratic Party.
That is not true. You’ll have to prove your point.
“Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said ‘I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no.’ Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold?” Kilmeade asked.
“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded.
From TNR: Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along
The Capitulation 8 aren’t up for re-election. They were chosen, because they have the least risk of losing their positions in the next election.
Do you have texts or them saying this in a snapchat?
It requires a modicum of critical thinking to understand this situation and the constant betrayal by Dems over the last 50 years. I know this is beyond most Americans’ capabilities, but keep trying.
Just like the revolution, the fascist insurrection is not televised nor is it plainly documented for convenient reference.
So, no, they don’t: just their subjective “critical thinking”.
https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/
Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.
It seems either Leader Chuck Schumer conspired against the party at large, or they did have the support of Democrats.
Who tf is that source?
A professor who worked at the Boston Globe for 20 years before opening his own publication in 1990. Hes been a independent journalist since before most of Lemmy was born. Chuck knew and supported it. Or are you gonna ignore credible reporting that you don’t like? We got a party for people like that in America.
I am not aware of him or his publication. The Heritage Foundation has been around a long time. Does he have a wikipedia page?
Yes, you’re free to search him.
You know it’s true. They aren’t going to go against the party on this.
I do not know that it’s true, you’re going to have to convince me.
Come on bro you know it’s true!
Interesting that Dems were putting up a fight until Mandani won in NY. If the shutdown is fueling voters to elect actual progressives, then suddenly Dems have to cave.
Establishment democrats are vile pieces of shit, who get their money from the same sources as the greedy of pedophiles
Another recent change was Trump pushing for the filibuster to be removed. The establishment could just claim it was because they need it to stop him so they should never stop him enough that he would make Republicans do it, but it could also be seen as a freedom they don’t want to have should we get a Democratic trifecta in the future. Being able to say “I want to do good things, but shucks the system stopped me” is a valuable tool for elected officials.
Sorry kiddo, the all powerful senate parliamentarian just won’t let them keep our insurance costs from doubling. Donate today to defeat fascism!
I think it’s more that they knew caving would depress turnout and waited until after it was over.
Disgusting fetterman and the lot of traitors. Whatever. Honestly surprised I actually got my hopes up this time for Republican capitulation.
Anyways…
Let’s appoint the Arizona senator now and call a vote to release the Epstein files.
That would be really nice. But it’s not happening. Ever.
She’s a Representative, not a Senator.
I guess it’s good that people paying double for shitty healthcare causes “frustration” but I would hope for a bit stronger reaction than that.
Chuck Schumer and the rest of the establishment democrats deserve to be tossed in the dumpster like the trash they are, but I don’t think any of us want to rot in a gulag for attempting and failing.
This is a very honest answer; most want revolution but are not prepared for it. But I do think we need to start putting action to words; what we say will soon be forgotten, but what we do will live on for years.
Technically, Chuck voted to keep the government shut down. According to some people other than Chuck he was in constant contact with the group who crossed the aisle for nothing in return, but he didn’t vote with them.
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that Chuck essentially engineered this new “deal” but he knew it would be wildly unpopular so he had only the senators who aren’t up for election next year vote yes, while he voted no to keep his hands clean. Classic slimy bullshit from a classic slimy bullshitter.
Exactly.
Call your (blue) senators. Doesn’t matter if they voted for or against it. Explain that you aren’t fooled and that it was blatantly obvious that schumer had his whip get the yes votes on behalf of the republicans.
This battle is lost. But this is far from the first time a schumer led Democratic party did trump’s work for him. schumer and durbin don’t need to step down as Senators (but they really fucking should) but they DO need to step down as minority leader and whip in favor of someone who isn’t a complete and utter failure, at best.
Otherwise? You’ll assume that your senator(s) were some of the real yeses who caved.
He offered the first shit sandwich by floating the idea of only a one year extension instead of permanent and these 8 doubled down. That was after he rolled over this past spring.
He shares a lot of the blame.
Not just that; he’s the fucking minority leader. It’s his job to coerce Democrats to vote in a unified manner.
Well, no — it’s his job to lead them in a unified vision. It’s then the whip’s job to coerce them. And Durbin, who capitulated this time, is the whip.
So Schumer is directly responsible for Durbin, and the two of them together are responsible for all the rolling over.
Convince, not coerce. But otherwise spot on.
Either would have been fine.
The one year extension was a genuinely good strategy. It is a very reasonable way to discuss this when there is more time and people aren’t starving… that would have put us exactly back where we were on Tuesday for the “real” midterms.
A one month extension… would have let the democrats go home for thanksgiving, I guess? But would also be immediately abandoned because it’s xmas!
But this was getting absolutely nothing. johnson is already saying he won’t call a vote for the ACA.
The one year strategy was fucking terrible. They already had the Republicans owning their own goal and offered to let them win for a single year’s reprieve. It was caving in right after massive election wins showing that the public was blaming the right people for once.
This is worse, but that was terrible and opened the doors for completely undermining the entire reason for the shutdown.
I’ve been following how the senate has voted on shit from the beginning of Trump’s second presidency. What I’m finding is that they all take turns crossing the aisle to spread out the hate they would get from their own party for doing so. Schumer, and Gillibrand, who are senators for my state both voted to confirm his cabinet picks. I’ve been pissed with them since day one.
That just means he found enough Dem Senators to take the heat so he didn’t have to also vote for it. It’s not like he said “Hold the line” and those 8 defied him. No, it was all agreed to between him and them. This is what he wanted. As minority leader the blame is on him in spite of his ‘no’ vote.
It genuinely doesn’t make sense to work at this point unless you’re making more money than it costs the state to put us in prison.
Prisoners get health care.
This is a bit of a tangent, I know but fuck does this irk me…
ballistic
I don’t think you know what this word means. You use words like these in every fucking news header now, and not one of them was warranted.
Fuck your clickbait titles, can all of you journalists PLEASE become real journalists again and start covering actual news that you present to us with actual real headlines instead of this made up clickbait slop?
Not sure if it’s a colloquialism but “going ballistic” where I live means being really angry.
That is for sure what it means in America.
It’s how “slam” can mean “to say something negative” and yet everyone complains about it too. I don’t have a strong opinion on how valid complaints on either use are, but I see them as comparable.
While I agree with everything you say, “journalists” know what they’re doing and they realize that making bad titles just causes people to speak about their articles more.
I have very little respect for the “profession” at this point.
What do you mean I heard someone was SLAMMED for this
They held government closed to win a handful of elections
I have a bad feeling this might actually be bait.
Like they know the progressives are going to burn it down now, and do everything they can to block this deal. And what that does is let them blame the Democrats more clearly for the shutdown.
If ending the shutdown actually leads to the Epstein files being released, it might actually work in the Democrats’ favor. I can’t see them letting the files get released, so this is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Yeah but people are sick of the dems consistently just letting republicans control the government. That’s a decent chunk of frustration with them, and it’s a regular propaganda tool of the republicans
this shit better make sure orange jenus(on purpose) is dead or prison with Epstein files
Not gonna happen and y’all better accept that it won’t and act accordingly before it’s too late.
